Bottom Job Corpus Christi

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Hermit Scott

I just purchased a catalina 30. The bottom looks like a coral reef. My boat is in Corpus Christi Tx. I have 30 days to move her from the private dock she is at. I want to do all the work myself, so I need to know of a yard that will pull it from the water, put it up on stands, maybe soda blast it, and provide me with water and power. This is my first bottom job, well actually it's my first sailboat. There may be some extensive fiberglass work, so I may be in the yard over a month. I took a big gamble, I know I know. But it was real cheap and I want to start learning.
If anyone in Corpus Christi or Rockport or Port Aransas knows of a shipyard or marina, could you please let me know. I prefer Corpus but realize there may not be any place near. The clock is ticking and I am ready to get to work.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
You did it !

Congrats.
You said you were going to buy a sailboat and you did. Since I have not seen the boat in person, cant't judge whether you got a good deal or not. Sounds like you did. But, that doesn't matter now. You own the boat and just get going from here.
e-mails not working this morning, hopefully Capt Cook will see this post and get in touch. Lots of others here from Corpus area also.
When the boat gets hauled at the yard, you can get them to give you a pressure washing on the hull. Usually that will remove most barnacles and clean bottom pretty good for inspection purposes. Normally, blasting will not be necessary.
Once this is done, get a few good digital pics of hull with good detail and post on here.
As far as a bottom job goes, I don't play that.

You also had a question about the best way to clean sails, and since you have a swimming pool available for a dunk and rinse, anyone else here have any suggestions?

Tony B
 
Aug 26, 2005
101
Oday 27 Corpus Christi
House of Boats

Congratulations!

There are only two local boatyards that allow you to do your own work. My Chris Craft is currently at "House of Boats" (361)729-9018. Their travel lift can haul out boats up to 40 tons so they will take good care of you. They will rent you a pressure washer and loan you a scraper. You will want to wash off the junk immediately upon haul-out because once it dries, it sticks like cement.

The other boatyard is in the same cove and they charge more/day.

House of Boats also does professional boat transportation if you want to move it somewhere else. (Why would you want to move away from this wonderful bay and gulf access?)

Feel free to call me. I do full-service boat management so I can find someone to fix whatever you need. I also have a lead on a cheap boat slip. (361) 563-8277.

Capt. Cook
 
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Hermit Scott

Making Plans

I will get some before and after pics. A miracle would be nice to not have too many blisters.
I will check out the place where you have your boat Capt Jim. I am not going to move the boat from the bay, I just need to move it to the marina because it's on a private dock right now and I am ready to start on the bottom. Corpus Christi Bay is the closest salt water to my house. Looking at the map I would rather keep it in Rockport so, when I am ready I can go right out into the gulf. From where it's at now, it's 20 miles to Rockport. I live in San Antonio. I am interested in the slip also, but I don't know how long I will be in the yard messing with it. I have the time, I can work on it like a full time job. I have a pressure washer, do I want to blast it with hot water or just high pressure? So scraping it off in the water before it's hauled out is not necessary? I hope I can just blast it, otherwise I was going to scuba under it, oh that would be nasty. But whatever it takes.
The engine isn't running. I will build a temporary mount out of steel with pads under it to ret on the transom, but I need an outboard to get it to the yard, 20 miles. The guy I bought it from has another sailboat that he completly restored, there is an outboard on that, but I don't know him well enough to ask him to borrow it. A solution will present it's self there in time.
I think with the sails I will just string them up behind the shop and take the water hose to them and just rub them down with my hands. I unrolled them in my office last night and they are in suprisingly good condition. I think I have one main, one 100% jib and a 130%. The seller said in the Corpus bay the wind is always pretty good so the 100% was what was usually used, also the 130 looks pretty new and the 100 sacrificial covering has UV fading and some dirt.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
If it were mine....

Haul-outs are not cheap, and depending on the yard, yard time is not cheap either.
Some decisions don't have to be made until boat is actually pulled. Decisions such as day rate or monthly rate. A lot will have to do with the condition of the boat. Yard time is cheaper than marina time, however when I lived in Rockport a few years ago, a good marina was impossible to get into.
Your first item ought to be signing up for a waiting list for the nicer marinas. There was one that always had a few slips available. It is shallow and the boats take a beating in there. Very dumpy looking place.
If I were young like you, I would be looking at Island Moorings Yacht Club and Marina In Aransas Pass (islandmoorings.net). GREAT PLACE. I spent a lot of time there hanging out. I was boatles at the time. Marina has deep water channel, fairly well protected, well, as far as south Texas can be. It has nice showers, lockers, Pool, HOT TUB and really looks impressive. After all, when you visit your boat, you will spend some time there. It is a really kewl little tourist town with the neatest clubs and restaurants, lots of p...never mind, Its a really fun place with a free ferry. about a 5 minute ferry ride. You can really get into trouble there, fun , fun, fun.
OK, back to your boat.
When it gets hauled, have it pressure washed immediately and scraped. Once the hull has been scraped, the next order of priority would be to check your rudder shaft, prop shaft bearing and through hulls. I wouldnt even think of touching the 'through hulls' and sea cocks until out of the water. You probably will also change out all of your hoses. Inspect your boat good for anything else that can be done easier out of the water. Put 'blisters' on the very bottom of your priority list.
Give yourself a few days for a full assessment of estimated time and make a rough schedule. If you dont, you will be in the yard for ever. One of my motto's is " strive for excellence, but settle for completion".
Now, when it comes time to assess your hull, check for obvious signs of deep scars, abrasions where gelcoat has been scraped off and any fiberglass damage and the 'Catalina smile' we talked about.
Adressing those issues is too detailed for me to get into right now.
If blisters are numerous and after a few repairs, you will have a better handle on time. Give yourself a time limit to work on blisters, say for instance 5 days. After the 5 days, shut er down, prepare to botom paint and be on your way.
Since this is your first haul-out and your first sailboat, use a relatively inexpensive bottom paint. Not the cheapest, but something down there. Plan on hauling out again next year. There are things you might want to do next year, maybe need another through-hull or seal up and glass over an old one, and get back to repairing more blisters.
I'm sure I missed a few things. Get on the Catalina Owners Website, I'm sure they will be a great help. Just make a post that you are new to sailboats, you bought an older boat and you are having your first haul-out. They will give you lots of advice from Catalina 30 owners.

Tony B
 
Aug 26, 2005
101
Oday 27 Corpus Christi
A little prep work

House of Boats charges $10/day plus the haulout.

I wouldn't dive to clean her before moving her. Just use an 8" metal drywall scraper to clean near the waterline to get the worst off. You'll get the rest off when she is hauled and easy to reach. It will be a little slower to move her over but I don't think the scuba labor is worth the trouble. The water here is so murky you couldn't see much anyway. HoB has long handled scrapers to get the barnicles and oysters off, then use your pressure washer (is it a 1500/1800/2400 psi) to clean the rest. The stronger the pressure washer, the easier and faster it works.

It sounds like you are on Padre Island (marker 37 chanel, marker 39 channel or more likely near the Padre Island Yacht Club). It is almost a straight shot up the ICW to Rockport. You should fit under the Aransas Pass bridge (48' clearance) unless you have a very tall rig. I have a 15hp longshaft Johnson.

I do my own work so, if you need help with blisters or whatever, I can give you some guidance while I am there. I believe you may be able to stay on the boat at HoB if you need to, but you would probably want a portable A/C unit and a lot of Deep Woods Off.

The 100 jib should work well for you. Corpus Christi has the third highest "sustained wind speed" in the world. However, you will use the 130 in August because the winds usually are slack for the month of August (unless there is a storm out there) to mid September. The West Marine store in Rockport is closing so this might be a good time to find a few deals.

How soon are you wanting to move her? Call me (see # below) and we can exchange emails so we don't tie up this forum.

Capt Cook
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
The best starting point would be to

go down to that area for a few days, get a motel and figure out what you want to do and where you want to stay. Do it now or you will be in a mad rush if too much time goes by. Once you are the 8 ball, you will be too busy in a panic to get things done and wont have time for rational thought.
Do you have a camper or an RV at your disposal. There are more RV parks in Rockport than there are churches.
My prime focus would be to get the boat hauled. Then get it to where you can sail and motor it. Then get the heck out of the yard and have a slip. Once you actually sail it, you will be rejuvenated and ultra motivated to work on it more. Then worry about the accessories and cosmetics.
Right now you should be looking at HoB's, I think you will be fine with them. That will take one hour of your time when you are down there. You can check out all of the marinas in Rockport, Aransas Pass, Port Aransas and Corpus in one long day. The next day make a committment to one of them, or at least get on their waiting list.
Right now you have more to do in a shorter period of time then you will after you are finally in a yard.

Good Luck
Tony B
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Some basic advice

All right...you have bought a boat...breathe in...breathe out...and relax a little...it is just a boat and as Tony said "strive for excellence, but settle for completion."

I also suggest that you spend some time cleaning her up, as it is a great way to feel better about her. Then make a punch list that is ranked by what is required to get you sailing and enjoying her. Regarding work, I always do better when I make lists...what I am going to do that day (divide this list by two, as I always list more than I can do)...what I need to bring with me (I ALWAYS forget something if I don't)...what I need to buy...etc...

And remember...stay focused...I don't know you or your personality type, but it is easy to get distracted some times with all the things on your list.

Congratulations! I bought my first boat off ebay for a lark...didn't tell the Wife for a few weeks...she passed on a divorce as I only spent $1000 on it and I didn't let her see it until I cleaned it up a bit ;-)
 
Jul 24, 2005
261
MacGregor Mac26D Richardson, TX; Dana Point, CA
Thanks Capt. Jim!!!!

It's easy to love the Texas Coast....

"House of Boats: Texas Coastal Bend's First Choice in Haul-Out & Repair

A full-service boatyard offering you haul-out, cleaning service ($4.25 Diesel)
and equipment rental, painting supplies and labor, and fiberglass maintenance. We even have a boat delivery service!

House of Boats is located just two miles south of Rockport, Tx in Cove Harbor. We welcome "Live Aboards" and "Do-It-Yourselfers" and have facilities available to make your stay comfortable. (!!!*****)

Stop in and meet Owner and Operator John Dzerk, and see why House of Boats is your best choice for haul-out and repair.

An on-site diesel fuel dock is also available; and we're a Wi-Fi Hotspot!

160 Cove Harbor N Bus. Hwy 35
(2 Miles South of Rockport)
Rockport TX 78382
Phone: 361.729.9018 :: Fax: 361.729.6402
Email: info@rockporttxboatyard.com
**********************

Thanks Capt. Jim.

When you have a free week, you might help me read the 28pages of fine print on my Dana Point Marina contract..... :>

******************************

I have really enjoyed meeting the owners, operators, and staff of every Texas Marina I have ever been to. I wish them all well in these harder times for their industry....

--jerry
 
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Hermit Scott

Thanks for hepling me out

I feel super motivated right now. I'm sure everyone here knows how it is when you get your first boat. I would be down there right now but the seller got married today and I wanted to at least give him the weekend before he has some dude on his docks working on a boat.
I have the manuals to the diesel. It is a Yanmar YSM 12. I started reading them last night and decided I am going to get that running before my 30 day period of having my boat on his dock ends. I have never messed with a diesel but it's the same principle as gas now that I look at it. You gotta get your hands dirty to learn. The rebuild kit is almost $1000. Seems a little high for a one cylinder engine, but everything for boats is high. I'll probably have a valve job done and the injector rebuilt, a battery and make sure the fuel system is completely clean, over the next few weeks. My other option was temporary propulsion, now a last resort.
House of boats it is! Word of mouth is gold when it comes to something like this. I sincerely thank you all for the advice and recommendations.
Now that I have done some reading on hull blisters, I am really not too concerned about them. I will try to repair them with the old grind and fill method, at least for the first time I pull it out of the water. I don't intend to spend alot of time trying to make the hull perfect. Maybe next year.
Tony, had mentioned that it would take months to fully dry the hull. If I let it dry for a week will the epoxy and anti-fouling paint stick alright? Fully drying it definitely sounds best, but this year I want to know just what I can get away with and still go sailing around.
BobM, I completely agree with the list. That is how I work also. I get pretty specific when it comes to my work lists also, and I check them off as I go.
Everything on the list is the engine right now. Then it will be the bottom,keel,rudder and through hulls. Then the standing rigging and the sheets and halyards.
This is a big project for me. I am going to take a lot of pics and video and set a myspace page or something like that so others will be able to see it done step by step. Actually my wife will take all the pictures and set up the site.
And I will be looking around like Tony recommends, for a marina in the mean time. Do they usually want long term contracts? I think I would rather get one for a month and then boat around and check the others out that way.
 
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Recess

Not sure about the rebuild kit

It sounds like you are paying a serious premium for somebody to spec the engine and then put together a parts list for you. I would find a local large diesel repair shop that has a big parts department and take in a spec sheet for your engine. They can spec out the parts you will need for the rebuild. I worked for Dietroit Diesel, on the generator side of a factory in Florida. Our parts department would have looked over your specs and put together a price list of parts you would need. I think the parts really should not be that high.

I would take this list to a parts department and see if they can put it together and save at least a couple of hundred.

YSM 12 Rebuild Kit


1 101104-01760 GASKET, CAP
2 101704-11450 GASKET, CHAMBER
1 103338-02120 MAIN BEARING
2 103338-23300 BRG; CRANK-PIN
1 103438-11410 CHAMBER, REAR
1 103438-23100 Bushing, Piston Pin
1 103854-11490 INSULATOR
1 104200-01490 GASKET,COVER
1 104271-11420 Pre-combustion Chamber
1 104271-35130 STRAINER, LUBE OIL
1 104500-02100 MAIN BEARING
1 104500-02100 MAIN BEARING
1 104500-11310 GASKET, BONNET
1 104500-13200 GASKET
1 104500-44050 GASKET
1 104511-82040 Gasket
1 104571-01410 GASKET, GEAR CASE
2 124250-22400 CIRCLIP
1 704500-01900 LINER WITH PACKING, CYL
1 704571-22720 PISTON WITH RINGS
1 704571-53100 VALVE,F.INJECT

The least you can find is if you really are getting a deal on the kit. Just ask when you call around if they can order Yanmar parts.

Good luck with all the work, it sounds like a bunch of getting dirty and a serious pay off for the effort.
 
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Hermit Scott

engine

That's a good idea , there is probably more than a few in town here. I will call around and see.

Alot of the cost is for a cylinder sleeve and a piston. I haven't even tore it down yet. I may find the piston and sleeve are still with in tolerance and could just hone it and rering it.
It's just a nice feeling to know that EVERYTHING that is important is new in an engine. I have never taken apart an engine that has sea water in it. I hope they kept up on the zincs or rinsing with fresh water but that seems a little too much to hope for.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Scott

Scott:

When we talked about the hull drying, that was if you were going to strip off all of the gelcoat. People do this a lot these days with older boats. It sounds simple enough, but just about everyone I have witnessed has turned into a major ordeal.
If you don't intend to fully dry the hull, you can epoxy your repairs and apply anti-foulant the day after haul-out. The only repair that I would let dry for a week or so would be the blisters. Let them bleed and every day rinse with fresh water. That seems to make them bleed faster and dry them quicker.
I think your plan just what you can get away with and still go sailing around, is the best plan.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. We talked about too many topics all at once on the phone. Next time I'll talk slower, which I am not programmed to do, LOL.
Getting your engine rebuilt first is an excellent idea. That would solve some problems as to how you will get the boat to a yard

I think you will enjoy your new challenge.

Tony B
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Diesel Engine

I agree that the diesel and the drive train in general were the things that concerned me the most. I joined one of the discussion boards (boatdiesel.com) for $25 so I could search for information.

The big mistake I made was waffling about doing the cutless bearing and the alignment. I knew I had a long trip to make (180 miles) and I should have been all over the alignment repairs first thing. Having only 6-8 hours a weekend (it was four and a half hours round trip) made disassembly and reassembly a three week task. It then took me two more trips to do the rough and final alignments (the later in the water). As it turned out, it wasn't mentally challenging, but it was physically challenging, mostly due to the constrained work spaces and a stuck prop (broke two pullers, gave up, snuck it past the rudder and knocked it off at home with a hammer.

Were I you, I'd think seriously about whether to pump a lot of money into a one cylinder diesel, unless strong currents are not a problem in your area. Have you looked for a used engine at all? It might be a viable option.

I passed on a 1 cylinder 12hp boat based on the advice I received on this board. A Catalina 30 is a bigger boat than an S2 9.2A to boot. The question was...assuming two boats with everything equal but one has a two cylinder 15hp motor and is $3000 more than the other with a 1 cylinder 12 hp, which boat should I buy? Voters chose the 2 cylinder almost unanimously. I subsequently bought a boat with a 2QM15 ended up taking her through the Cape Cod Canal against a three not current (Captain I hired goofed and read the current chart for the wrong day). Let me tell you...that is when I was happy to have a few extra hp. Cruising speed is normally 5.5 knots at 2800 rpm...we were doing 2.5 knots initially, but it steadily got better. We ran the diesel for 10-12 hours a day for three days. It is definitely nice to know that it is reliable.
 
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Hermit Scott

Bigger Diesel

I got this boat so much cheaper than my next choice that I could put a completely rebuilt 25 horse in it and have paid the same. But I really couldn't afford the next boat up. I was trying to negotiate financing part of it. The guy was considering it and the day I bought my boat he emailed me back and said he would accept my half down half financed proposal. I am glad I got to pay cash for this one though the other had a running motor in it. As long as the motor in my boat doesn't have a breech that is rusted through the head or block I will be able to fix it. I really prefer to rebuild an engine myself, that way I know what has been done to it.
A bigger engine will have to wait. Eventually I will buy a used Universal 25 and rebuild it at my shop and then do an engine swap. Right now I have to live with this one.
Tony, I just didn't remember everything you said. After I get the coral reef off of it you will have to talk me through a few things again.
My wife is hilarious. My avatar picture is the first time I took a sailboat out. The only time actually. It was a gaff rigged dinghy and I couldn't figure out how to set it up correctly. So....we sailed away from the docks on a run, but I had to row back a half mile or so, because I couldn't get it to sail into the wind. My wife took that picture of us with the look of doom on her face.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Scott

I have been known to babble. So, it probably wasn't you.
Anyway, when you get it hauled out, send me a bunch of photos, both close-up and not so close-up. Then give me a call and I will be looking for them.
If there is anyway possible, I will try to get down there for a day or two. Can't promise. But I will try. Keep in mind that this is easy stuff, just time consuming. As long as you don't drill a hole through your hull, it wont be any worse than before you started.

Tony B
 
Aug 26, 2005
101
Oday 27 Corpus Christi
Tony, even if you drill a hole...

I just drilled two holes in my hull. I'm installing an A/C while she is on the hard. Yes, it was a little disconcerting putting the drill to the fiberglass and I had more than a few second-thoughts.
She's OK now (I hope). I'll feel better after HoB splashes her. I'm planning to inspect my spreaders this evening. If they are good (I assume they are the original 35 year old wood), I'll be about ready to get her wet. I've got a little more sanding on the teak and some varnish and paint.
Keep me posted if you come down. I would like to meet you. I've enjoyed reading your posts.
Sincerely,
Capt Cook
 
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