boating accident in VA looks alot like a venture 22

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Carolyn1964

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Jun 22, 2009
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Macgregor Venture 25 Seattle
so sad

That is a sad story. My first rule is everyone always has on a PFD. and how did they fit 10 people on a 22. I am feeling crowded with 6 on a Venture 25. agian it is a very sad story

Carolyn
 
timebandit

timebandit

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Jun 3, 2004
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Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
The nice thing about a Mac is that you don't have to put the keel down if you are just going to motor with lots of people.

You only need the keel down when sailing.
 
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Freedom77

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Jul 29, 2010
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Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
As I mentioned in the other post, I owned a V-222 and no way in HELL would I ever put 10 people aboard and leave the dock. It sounds like the keel was up. UH-UH!! Recipe for disaster. Here on Lake Mead I can careen my boat with the keel up just by pulling on the main halyard. NO excuse for common sense. Having owned three of 'em I can state that Ventures are good boats, It's the people that cause the problems.Fair Winds and Full Sails...
 
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Knuttle

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Sep 25, 2008
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1970 Venture by Macgregor 21 Clayton, NC
lots of people

timebandit said:
The nice thing about a Mac is that you don't have to put the keel down if you are just going to motor with lots of people.

You only need the keel down when sailing.
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I believe this is suppose to be funny. I HOPE!

If not may God be with you.
 
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Knuttle

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Sep 25, 2008
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1970 Venture by Macgregor 21 Clayton, NC
Assume

timebandit said:
:eek::eek::eek:
Ya think I am crazzy???
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I have learned never to Assume, and I would rather tell someone something they know than not tell them and hear that they were hurt.

No offense intended, just wanted to make sure.
 
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timebandit

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Jun 3, 2004
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Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
No offense taken.

I was hoping to kinna wake up some people who may not know and start a discussion again.

Just as an example here is a post written the other day on a different subject. If you read between the lines you can see that the po of this boat was on dangerous grounds and if the poster had not known better he and his loved ones could have been harmed.


re: sailing to windward - no-sail angle
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I have no experience with the 26, only the 22, and you can't really say anything about the 26 based on that. But, I asked the previous owner about windward performance. He said that it wasn't great but that he could point about 50 degrees off the wind. I didn't really get to test that since there were no winds to speak of. However, the next day, I was messing about in the cabin and noticed that the keel was almost all the way up.

The previous owner commented that he didn't know how well the winch worked because he had never used it.

I put the keel down and sailed it that day in 10-15 kts. Pointed great! ShareThis

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1976 Venture 22-2


Knuttle said:
I have learned never to Assume, and I would rather tell someone something they know than not tell them and hear that they were hurt.

No offense intended, just wanted to make sure.
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doehunter

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Sep 26, 2010
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Macgregor 1993 26S Houston
Imagine have a sailboat, and settling for how sucky it performs, then finding out later that the centerboard was never down the whole time you had it!
MY MY
 
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Robin F

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Apr 12, 2011
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MacGregor Venture 22 Dana Point, CA.
Just a thought, since there is not a sarcasm or in jest font, maybe highighting script in a different color could be desinated for this purpose, much like Timebandit did in his follow up post. I'm not very well versed on forum manors, but it may help.
 
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Faris

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Apr 20, 2011
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Catalina 27 San Juan Islands
Highlighting sarcasm takes half the fun out of it. It's kind of like when you have to explain a joke it's no longer funny.
 
timebandit

timebandit

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Jun 3, 2004
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Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
Robin and all.

I left off anything that would imply I was joking just to start this discussion.

Here is an article by a fellow who is respected on these boards and rightly so

But

Read this well written article and see if you can find out why his boat sank, it's there I assure you.

It took me years to fine it but only after a board discussion by the author.

This is a test to save your boat and maybe your life.

Gone in three minutes

http://sbo.sailboatowners.com/components/com_mtree/attachment.php?link_id=7671&cf_id=24
 
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Bob McL

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Oct 16, 2008
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MacGregor/Venture 25 Mesa AZ
I saw two things that I think contributed to the sinking of Chiquita. First, when the boat turtled, the only thing sticking out of the water was the hull. The 23 Venture had a swing keel and if locked down, should have been sticking above the hull. (If locked into sailing position, it should have righted the boat!) Also, the floatation was removed by the PO. I agree that when sailing, hatches should be closed and if possible the entry to the cabin also secure so that water does not enter if the boat goes over. However, on the 23 (and my 25) no water should have entered the cabin when the boat was on its side (hatches and ports all closed).
 
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MrMikey64

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Oct 24, 2008
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Macgregor 25 (1984) Wildomar, So. Cal.
So, how much floatation should your Mac have??

Bob McL said:
I saw two things that I think contributed to the sinking of Chiquita. First, when the boat turtled, the only thing sticking out of the water was the hull. The 23 Venture had a swing keel and if locked down, should have been sticking above the hull. (If locked into sailing position, it should have righted the boat!) Also, the floatation was removed by the PO.
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While I cannot speak for all Macs, I can tell you with reasonable certainty that there is 1 cubic yard (27 cubic feet) of floatation in a Macgregor 25.
Don't ask me how I know....:redface:... the pics say it all.
 

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Faris

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Apr 20, 2011
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Catalina 27 San Juan Islands
timebandit said:
Read this well written article and see if you can find out why his boat sank, it's there I assure you.
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I'm not sure what the mystery is. It got knocked down and laid on its side taking on water. Lacking sufficient floatation to keep it afloat, it sank.
 
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THECUSCUS

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Sep 25, 2008
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Macgregor & Island Packet VENTURE 25 & IP-38 NORTH EAST, MD
A couple things I see, too much sail for the conditions perhaps, in gusty wind I always have the main sheet in my hand, hatch boards not in place, no PFD's on everyone, and probably the biggy (by this site and the other Mac site standards)......the keel LOCKDOWN bolt wasn't in place!!! Which allowed the keel to go back in the trunk and wasn't any help in the righting effort!
 
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Macgregor 25 So. Cal.
What about the statement that he tried to get up on the hull and right it like a sailing dingy. Would not that indicate that the keel was down. Would not that be mentioned in "Lessions learned"?
 
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dkdoyle

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Nov 24, 2010
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Seafarer 26 Ruskin
By his own admission he was a rail down sailor. In gusty conditions without his hand on the lines is nuts. But he did say it was reefed. So no i am not really getting it. I am suprised it went down so fast. And yes he did say he stood on keel so it may have been locked. Used to own one of these. Fun boat in light air.
 
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