Boat Show Thoughts

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Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,187
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Went to a boat show over the weekend. I haven't been on new boats in years and was with a friend who is thinking about moving up in size from a 40-ish. So, I got an opportunity to board a lot of new sailboats. Anyhow, I was a bit taken aback by the apparent crudeness of the interior finish work on the new Beneteaus. There were a lack of fiddles; the floor moved and creaked; the finish looked plastic and the blond hue wasn't my preference. It was a bit motorcoach looking. The hardware looked OK and the accommodations were nice although the cushions seemed skimpy. The exterior glass work and hardware was fine although a lot of people whacked their heads on the 50's arch.

The Jeaneaus seemed to be a step up from the Bennies in terms of finish. However, the newer ones also sported a light finish compared to the same model a couple of years old. I didn't like the new flooring choice either. I looked at one a year old. Harken has made a play for OEM deck gear and I think they may have made some qualitative adjustments for cost reasons. In particular, one owner has had problems with the winches and the year old Jeaneau had badly corroded winch drums.

The Hanse I boarded was very nice and sported a nice rig with backstay adjuster and a ASM pole. The teak deck must have added to the cost and it was super beamy too. The interior was a disappointment. Although there was obvious quality, the layout was really peculiar and the floor looked like one of the raised ones you'd see in a computer center. The price was equally impressive although not as high as I might have expected.

The Hunters and Catalinas looked very nice after the European boats. I was surprised to find the tankage was far superior, the displacement significantly greater and the hardware more substantial. Moreover, the interior finish work and systems were much better with the nod to Hunter. There were some outstanding deals being offered on several year-old new boats that have been languishing in inventory.

There were few new motor yachts on display. However, there is another show in a couple of weeks that specializes in them. Lots of go-fasts around though. I saw many used and repossession motor yachts going for prices that were very low even for my low expectations. They have been hit by fuel prices before the economic dive, so they may be a bigger drag than sailboats.

I did very much like the Beneteau Fast 40. It's more of a race boat but has a very workable and traditional interior. The carbon wheel and advanced steering gear made it turn as if there were no foil attached. The hardware manufacturers were slim! They clearly sat out the show, as did WM and most other retailers. Lat's & Atts had a party and provided free pizza, wine & beer after the close which seemed particularly appreciated by the vendors. I was impressed that Bob is able to keep that going given his own situation. Hunter Marine was one of the party sponsors.

Anyhow, my impressions are just that. It looks like there is a lot of cost-cutting going on although I was surprised to see it more manifest in the European boats than the domestic. I am also not in love with the current trends in interior detailing but like the free-standing frig and freezers in all of the newer boats. I went back to my boat and found it looked pretty good.

 
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Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Nice write up Rick. This is the kind of review you can't find in the sailing rags, an unbiased prospective.

I have been debating whether to go to the Annapolis show in October. Me thinks I'm gonna go just for the hell of it.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
I was also there and I agree with you. Missed the Lats and Atts party. Did get to meet Zach Sunderland. Nice shy kid. also got to say hello to Jessica Watson. She came to his boat to meet with him for an interview. When asking where Jessica Watson was located a half dozen sailors had no idea who she was, but they were quick to point out Zach's boat. Told me he was sailing back to MDR that evening and that it was going to be a long night without the wind. Seemed funny coming from a kid that went around the world.
The interiors of the Hunters were really impressive, and as Rick mentioned the prices of the used ones gives one hope come retirement. They had a guy on the Benny 50 warning people to watch their head. My wife liked the wide gradual steps into the cabin. The woodwork on the Bennies was nice but did appear fakey.
Found and got a sample to some vinyl teak and holly flooring. Looks amazingly real, easy to install at $7/sq ft. It only comes 72'' wide so you either end up with a lot of waste or a seam on a 12' x 3' sole.
The Dufours were nicely done with a price to match. All in all it was a good show and the wife actually got into it.
I was also there and I agree with you. Missed the Lats and Atts party. Did get to meet Zach Sunderland. Nice shy kid. also got to say hello to Jessica Watson. She came to his boat to meet with him for an interview. When asking where Jessica Watson was located a half dozen sailors had no idea who she was, but they were quick to point out Zach's boat. Told me he was sailing back to MDR that evening and that it was going to be a long night without the wind. Seemed funny coming from a kid that went around the world.
The interiors of the Hunters were really impressive, and as Rick mentioned the prices of the used ones gives one hope come retirement. They had a guy on the Benny 50 warning people to watch their head. My wife liked the wide gradual steps into the cabin. The woodwork on the Bennies was nice but did appear fakey.
Found and got a sample to some vinyl teak and holly flooring. Looks amazingly real, easy to install at $7/sq ft. It only comes 72'' wide so you either end up with a lot of waste or a seam on a 12' x 3' sole.
The Dufours were nicely done with a price to match. All in all it was a good show and the wife actually got into it.
 

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Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,187
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Cabin Floor, CAGUY...

That was Lonseal. I had it installed throughout a couple of years ago. Great stuff.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Yes Rick, nice review. When you look at the price of those new boats, it really does make you feel good when you get back on your old steadfast mount.
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
I;m glad someone else thinks new boats look sort of shoddy. I was at the Miami show last year and for the 1st time they had 2 venues. I went to the Cat area and looked at every new cat on the dock. The closets had raw fiberglass inside and in some case there wasn't even a finish on the walls around the beds other than white paint. This was on a boat for $900,000! The best of the cats in my opinion were the Leopards. Fit and finish was terrific. Didn't really price them just chatted up the boat babes and looked around.

Not knowing much about cats, "What's with the sliding patio doors in the cockpit"? What happens if you get pooped? I live in Florida and the door didn't even look like hurricane code in strength.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Rick, except for size what would make you move to a newer boat? Just curious because the 40.5 has always been a favorite. Are there layout issues? I still don't know why they have to put two heads on a 40-footer but otherwise I love your interior. It has the two main items that I might want, the aft cabin and the walk-through transom. And it is almost as fast as mine. :)
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,187
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Well, Ed, as to the issue of heads, there seems to be a trend in domestic boats back to a single head in 40-ish boats. I think that may be because of the trend to separate shower stalls, which also consume space. In general, the forward head is a great place to store the cockpit cushions ;-) Actually, it is handy when we have visitors aboard. It is also handy when I have female race crew who then declare the forward cabin and head a no-boy zone.

As to what would make me move from the 40.5, I haven't yet seen anything. If I were to more seriously cruise, as in ocean wanderers, I would now keep her and just add the usual tankage, solar and watermaker. She's already got a cutter stay and sail, SSB and the other goodies. If I were to more seriously race, I'd just add a full and ASM spinnaker, true race sails and a more youthful and experienced crew. As it is, the boat coastal cruises fine without gear or other additions. As a dock condo, it's as big below as most power boats the same size. The storage is way superior to current production boats of the same size and she's very comfortable with the 13 opening ports and large fixed ports. The big freezer and refrig are nice too.

We use the boat a whole lot, probably spending a quarter to a third of our time aboard. The large stowage means we can leave changes of clothes and bedding ready. No carting bags back and forth. We even have sets of 'island' shoes and street walking shoes and boat shoes for the boat. We can leave food frozen and refrigerated. I even have a portable AC unit which can fit in the dock box when I don't need it.

So, putting aside the money and subsequent expense, I have not been motivated or tempted by anything I have seen in this size range. The 49 Hunter is a very nice boat as are some others of that size, as are the First series of Beneteaus. I'm confident I'll continue to be satisfied with the 40.5 for many years to come in addition to the eleven I've owned her, barring infirmity, illness, et al.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
That's kind of what I thought you would say Rick. My only other question regarding owning a 40.5, other than money, would be its seaworthiness. Were there boats at the show that you would consider better for a Pacific crossing? If so then why?
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,187
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
As far a seaworthiness, she was designed to offshore spec's, so there is no doubt she's structurally up to it as is the rig sized for it. I've put enough miles in enough conditions that I would not hesitate. I would still add the usual stuff and would have to convert the stove to propane from CNG (later ones had propane). I was considering the Transpac once and still get lobbied to do it. It isn't the boat that makes me hesitate.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
Just went to the Newport Show yesterday and thought I'd add to Rick's excellent write up.

I boarded the Bennies (50 I think and one smaller), Catalina 445, Hunters (50, 45 DS), Jeaneaus (50 DS, 42 DS), and the Island Packet 465 I think it was. Here are some comments:

1. Most impressive was the Hunter 50. Far superior in deck hardware, fit and finish below, and quality of joinerwork. My only gripe was that it is not available with a single aft cabin.

2. Worst was the Bennie 50 with that stupid, ill-conceived composite arch. I am 5-11 and it catches me in the bridge of the nose coming from below. And no traveler. Just fixed point blocks for the mainsheet. Also, they seem to use smallish bunks regardless of the boat's size.

3. Next worst surprisingly was the Island packet 465. You can see where they have really cheapened their fit and finsh to control cost, although I overheard the broker talking high 6's for the boatshow unit. The decking around the galley is simply non-skid glass. And the forward cabin overhead is again just gel coat. On a 700k yacht !

4. I like the Jeaneaus in general, especially the palatial aft stateroom with king sized bed.

5. A general comment applying to all except the Hunters was that they seem to be designed to tie up to a dock and stay there, rather than go sailing in a seaway. The companionways in general are not apparently designed for safe up and down while sailing. The finish is slippery, the ladders steep, and hand holds are scarce. I also noticed on the Jeaneau 50 that cockpit egress to go forward was a bit dicey with no good footholds. Details like that are important.

6. I thought the Catalina had some of the least attractive joinerwork and overhead finish of all the boats, except for maybe the Bennie bulkheads, which are some material other than wood laminate. Catalina does a very nice cockpit though.

7. Finally, this is a personal preference but I have to pass it on. What's with the 2 wheels on everything? Even down to boats around 40 Ft. It just seems unnecessarily complicated for what gain? I sail a H 44 DS with a single wheel and it serves perfectly for sailing and motoring. I just don't get it. There is a cost saving for sure to go to one wheel.

8. One other came to mind and that is anchor lockers. The Bennies, Jeaneaus, and Catalina all had deep, roomy chain lockers, while Hunter just can't seem to figure this out. The chain locker on my 44 DS is simply inadequate and remains so on the 45 DS we boarded. The Hunter 50 DS was actually laughable and was the only flaw I could see, When are they going to get this?
 
Apr 15, 2009
302
C&C 30 Annapolis
twin wheels

The twin wheels do add a bit of cost and complexity however the general trend has been to keep a fair bit of beam all the way to the transom on modern boats. This not only makes for a bigger cockpit and better locker storage, it also opens up the aft cabin. The downside is visibility gets a little tougher. By going with twin wheels, visibility forward is greatly improved, the helm is out of the way of all the regular cockpit activities and the access to the walk through transom is easier (no single wheel to have to walk around).
 
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