It looks like a power boat called Nordic Star. Located at the end of a pier. She is smoking right now (noon local time) but the fire is out. If you have a boat there, be advised.
Boat on fire at Everett marina
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Fred, That has already happened
a few years ago. They said on the news that it was on f dock. 54 foot long power boat. Looks pretty crispy to me.
a few years ago. They said on the news that it was on f dock. 54 foot long power boat. Looks pretty crispy to me.
uh toast! We were discussing it over skipper's ...
hour at the Woodfire Grill, right next to F dock. They had a fire boat ready to squirt water on it. The marina staff moved other boats at risk out of the way. She was docked on the end cap. They were worried that too much water would sink the boat, complicating any salvage effort. Some foam was put on it but as you know, glass burns hot, this one right to the waterline. She was one of the prettiest power boats in the marina, they say. We have not heard the cause... electrical? Terry
hour at the Woodfire Grill, right next to F dock. They had a fire boat ready to squirt water on it. The marina staff moved other boats at risk out of the way. She was docked on the end cap. They were worried that too much water would sink the boat, complicating any salvage effort. Some foam was put on it but as you know, glass burns hot, this one right to the waterline. She was one of the prettiest power boats in the marina, they say. We have not heard the cause... electrical? Terry
Now I am hearing from Seattle
that they want to require sprinklers in all covered moorage in Seattle marinas. They also want to put in more standpipes. Can you say "New taxes for boaters"? The really funny thing is that if a sprinkler goes off and sinks a boat, what will that do to the environment. These hand wringers will figure something else for that problem I suppose and charge us for that, too.
that they want to require sprinklers in all covered moorage in Seattle marinas. They also want to put in more standpipes. Can you say "New taxes for boaters"? The really funny thing is that if a sprinkler goes off and sinks a boat, what will that do to the environment. These hand wringers will figure something else for that problem I suppose and charge us for that, too.
Sailboats in Covered Moorage
Patrick - why would sailboat owners be particulary worried about requirements to put sprinklers in covered moorages. How many sailboats are anywhere near covered moorages? A few years ago, my C27 was moored at a marina on Lake Union that had a fire at the end of Memorial Day weekend. We had brought the boat home earlier in the day (to avoid the zoo affect at the locks) and were watching TV at home when "Breaking News" pops up with "Marina Fire at Lake Union" - and the pictures very clearly showing our very distinctive marina on fire. We had an open slip between two portions of covered slips. Turns out that the two portions were set up that way as fire breaks - so that fire wouldn't easily spread from one to the other. Long story short, the fire was downwind of our boat and other than a little soot in the air, ours, and most other boats in the marina were unharmed. There were 14 boats destroyed, but no injuries. As a result of that fire, and a couple of other well publicized and devastating fires in Lake Union area (Seattle Yacht Club and the other one near Gas Works Park) many marina's around the Seattle area began requiring that boat owners provide proof of Liability Insurance in order to maintain their moorage there. All in all, I don't think that requiring covered moorage to provide reasonable fire protection is an added cost to the boating community as a whole, and I don't object to having to provide proof of insurance to moor where I do now (Shilshole). In the long run, we pay for the fire protection, or we pay for increased insurance rates. I'd prefer to be proactive and avoid the losses in the first place through smart and careful practices, but I'm not stupid enough to not cover my investment with adequate insurance. Tim Brogan April IV C350 #68 Seattle
Patrick - why would sailboat owners be particulary worried about requirements to put sprinklers in covered moorages. How many sailboats are anywhere near covered moorages? A few years ago, my C27 was moored at a marina on Lake Union that had a fire at the end of Memorial Day weekend. We had brought the boat home earlier in the day (to avoid the zoo affect at the locks) and were watching TV at home when "Breaking News" pops up with "Marina Fire at Lake Union" - and the pictures very clearly showing our very distinctive marina on fire. We had an open slip between two portions of covered slips. Turns out that the two portions were set up that way as fire breaks - so that fire wouldn't easily spread from one to the other. Long story short, the fire was downwind of our boat and other than a little soot in the air, ours, and most other boats in the marina were unharmed. There were 14 boats destroyed, but no injuries. As a result of that fire, and a couple of other well publicized and devastating fires in Lake Union area (Seattle Yacht Club and the other one near Gas Works Park) many marina's around the Seattle area began requiring that boat owners provide proof of Liability Insurance in order to maintain their moorage there. All in all, I don't think that requiring covered moorage to provide reasonable fire protection is an added cost to the boating community as a whole, and I don't object to having to provide proof of insurance to moor where I do now (Shilshole). In the long run, we pay for the fire protection, or we pay for increased insurance rates. I'd prefer to be proactive and avoid the losses in the first place through smart and careful practices, but I'm not stupid enough to not cover my investment with adequate insurance. Tim Brogan April IV C350 #68 Seattle
I talked to an Everett Marina official last...
night and he told me that the initial finding the fire was electrically caused. It remains under investigation. It appears that a hired technician had been working on the boat (inverter) and there is some question whether that work resulted in the fire. The boat was insured. Its owner had it for sale this past season, but then later decided to take it off the market. The official told me the boat was valued at around $750K. Bud
night and he told me that the initial finding the fire was electrically caused. It remains under investigation. It appears that a hired technician had been working on the boat (inverter) and there is some question whether that work resulted in the fire. The boat was insured. Its owner had it for sale this past season, but then later decided to take it off the market. The official told me the boat was valued at around $750K. Bud
Knee-jerk reaction to a minor problem
"Patrick - why would sailboat owners be particulary worried about requirements to put sprinklers in covered moorages. How many sailboats are anywhere near covered moorages?" Lots of open moorage is close to covered moorages and the "added standpipes" clause would be reason enough to tax those of us in open moorage. Also - just because we are "all in the same boat" when it comes to taxes thought up by the socialist do-gooders who run Seattle. Boaters are a target of these guys all the time. That does not even begin to address the advisability of the idea in the first place. Note that the fire department did not use their hoses for fear of sinking this boat. Lack of water is not the usual problem for fighting boat fires. Politics is frequently a problem in Seattle because the police have the fire boat and the fire department wants to run things. Just look at the "diver" issue. The police have trained divers and a diving program as well as the boats to deliver them to the scene. Well maybe not enough boats for the whole Seattle area but more than the fire dept. The fire department wants to have their own divers and new equipment and on and on. Soon they will want their own boats and a new base for them...ad infinitum. To wit: new taxes for boaters. In a covered moorage, lots of boats would have a problem if a high volume sprinkler went off on their line. I do not know if the sprinkling could be localized to one area or not. You might see an undamaged boat sunk by his neighbor lighting his barbeque. More info: http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/02/10/100loc_fire001.cfm http://www.kirotv.com/news/4181328/detail.html Sprinklers issue: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/197799_sprinkler02.html?searchpagefrom=1&searchdiff=105
"Patrick - why would sailboat owners be particulary worried about requirements to put sprinklers in covered moorages. How many sailboats are anywhere near covered moorages?" Lots of open moorage is close to covered moorages and the "added standpipes" clause would be reason enough to tax those of us in open moorage. Also - just because we are "all in the same boat" when it comes to taxes thought up by the socialist do-gooders who run Seattle. Boaters are a target of these guys all the time. That does not even begin to address the advisability of the idea in the first place. Note that the fire department did not use their hoses for fear of sinking this boat. Lack of water is not the usual problem for fighting boat fires. Politics is frequently a problem in Seattle because the police have the fire boat and the fire department wants to run things. Just look at the "diver" issue. The police have trained divers and a diving program as well as the boats to deliver them to the scene. Well maybe not enough boats for the whole Seattle area but more than the fire dept. The fire department wants to have their own divers and new equipment and on and on. Soon they will want their own boats and a new base for them...ad infinitum. To wit: new taxes for boaters. In a covered moorage, lots of boats would have a problem if a high volume sprinkler went off on their line. I do not know if the sprinkling could be localized to one area or not. You might see an undamaged boat sunk by his neighbor lighting his barbeque. More info: http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/02/10/100loc_fire001.cfm http://www.kirotv.com/news/4181328/detail.html Sprinklers issue: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/197799_sprinkler02.html?searchpagefrom=1&searchdiff=105
Firesprinklers
Patrick, While I agree whole-heartedly with your concerns about police and fire empire building (in some instances, boys with their toys), the firesprinkler issue should be looked at realistically. You should see the water toys they have here, as well as the paramedic response truck. Its an entire fire truck, does not go nearly fast enough (because it is huge). We call it the HMO on wheels. Personally, I'd opt for something small and fast if I have a heart attack. Anyway, different subject. Firesprinkler systems are designed so that only the heads affected by the fire are triggered. I know the movies all show everything going off, but it does not work that way. Each head is triggered by an individual fuse. In fact, the systems are designed so that only a certain number of heads can actually be supplied. If they all went off, insufficient flow would occur at any individual head to be effective. That said, fires on boats are a bit different than fires in buildings or houses (unless you put the sprinklers inside the boats). I suspect that boat fires do not occur on deck very often, but rather, start somewhere inside and by the time a breakout occurs, that particular boat is probably in pretty bad shape. Once the fire breaks out, the local firesprinklers would trigger, probably protecting the cover for the slips and maybe the boats within close proximity and certainly those slightly farther away. It all depends upon how fast the heat from the fire triggers the head in an open sided covered space (much different than the heat build-up in a closed room). I live in a place where firesprinklers are required in all houses built since about 1985. I was not excited about the requirements at the time (I was in the building business), but I sleep under a few today. And, I have grown fond of the idea of waking up in a rainstorm over a smoke filled room. Similarly, if I had the kind of boat that would fit in a covered slip, I think that it would be safer under a firesprinkler than not. To get back to your original concerns, and they are valid. The secret is to produce the results without overkill. Our residential type systems cost about $1.50 a sf to install down here (probably less in other parts of the country). Residential heads also go off at lower temperature than commercial heads, which is probably a good idea in the "open" situation of a covered slip. That said, I'm not sire how you protect the supply lines from freezing temperatures in colder climates. A burst firesprinkler line puts out a lot of water. Finally, its a cost of construction, not a tax supported process. I would assume that any cost associated for a covered slip would be passed on to the user of the slip. My two cents. Dan Jonas (S/V Feije II)
Patrick, While I agree whole-heartedly with your concerns about police and fire empire building (in some instances, boys with their toys), the firesprinkler issue should be looked at realistically. You should see the water toys they have here, as well as the paramedic response truck. Its an entire fire truck, does not go nearly fast enough (because it is huge). We call it the HMO on wheels. Personally, I'd opt for something small and fast if I have a heart attack. Anyway, different subject. Firesprinkler systems are designed so that only the heads affected by the fire are triggered. I know the movies all show everything going off, but it does not work that way. Each head is triggered by an individual fuse. In fact, the systems are designed so that only a certain number of heads can actually be supplied. If they all went off, insufficient flow would occur at any individual head to be effective. That said, fires on boats are a bit different than fires in buildings or houses (unless you put the sprinklers inside the boats). I suspect that boat fires do not occur on deck very often, but rather, start somewhere inside and by the time a breakout occurs, that particular boat is probably in pretty bad shape. Once the fire breaks out, the local firesprinklers would trigger, probably protecting the cover for the slips and maybe the boats within close proximity and certainly those slightly farther away. It all depends upon how fast the heat from the fire triggers the head in an open sided covered space (much different than the heat build-up in a closed room). I live in a place where firesprinklers are required in all houses built since about 1985. I was not excited about the requirements at the time (I was in the building business), but I sleep under a few today. And, I have grown fond of the idea of waking up in a rainstorm over a smoke filled room. Similarly, if I had the kind of boat that would fit in a covered slip, I think that it would be safer under a firesprinkler than not. To get back to your original concerns, and they are valid. The secret is to produce the results without overkill. Our residential type systems cost about $1.50 a sf to install down here (probably less in other parts of the country). Residential heads also go off at lower temperature than commercial heads, which is probably a good idea in the "open" situation of a covered slip. That said, I'm not sire how you protect the supply lines from freezing temperatures in colder climates. A burst firesprinkler line puts out a lot of water. Finally, its a cost of construction, not a tax supported process. I would assume that any cost associated for a covered slip would be passed on to the user of the slip. My two cents. Dan Jonas (S/V Feije II)
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