Boat Lift/Trailer work

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Feb 9, 2008
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Catalina 22 Long Beach Harbor, MS
Nice! Like the trailer work. Coincidentally, I pulled my keel this morning. Looking for machine shop to weld and press bushing. I used a buddies backhoe (front end loader) and straps. May post pics later. When I get her back in the water, I will need to start on the trailer! Hurricane season is coming...
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Hi,
I am doing a bottom job and some trailer work and took some picture I thought I would share. I have an '86 C-22 and used a 4x4 frame and a heavy strap with a ratchet and a come along to get the boat off the trailer. I also bought a new trailer and am modifying it to work with the boat. Here is the link:

https://picasaweb.google.com/112978403511301672540/BoatTrailer02?authkey=Gv1sRgCJGI1pOSl_LrIg#

Tom
North Texas
That's pretty ingenious Tom. I like that. I'm thinking of building something similar to that gallows, but instead of using a hoist I'd like to use my four sailboat stands under the stern, two on each side close together, and jack up the bow with my hydraulic jack. When the hull is high enough to clear the trailer, I'd place the 4"X4" under the bow section of the boat closer to the keel and let the beam support it on two short stands very similar to the way your gallows is set up.
Right now I'm taking my boat on and off the slow way by raising it with the jack and using a powerboat stand under the bow to keep the height while moving the trailer forward between set ups as the trailer's cross members permit. It's slow but it works. Years ago it was easier with the roller trailer that came with my boat but now it's a whole new ball game with a bunk trailer.
My five boat stands can raise my boat to where the bottom of the keel is 18" off the ground. I would much rather be able to support the bow with the beam under it and once the bottom of my keel is clear of the back of my trailer as I pull the trailer out from under her hull, I can shore up under the keel as an extra safety precaution.
Right now I'm in the thinking stages of doing this.
 
Dec 23, 2008
771
Catalina 22 Central Penna.
Modifying your old trailer and your new trailer needs to have the winch at the right height.

When the boat is in its absolute resting position on the trailer the winch cable should be level or slightly lifting the hull. Never have the winch pulling down on the hull, this keeps the stern floating high during recovery which is a mismatch with the back of the trailer because of the angle of the ramp, When the boat is pulled from the water the stern will then settle down on the rear of the bunks, the front of he bunks will act as a pivot point, the bow will want to lift and pull away from the bow chock.

Attached is a perfect set up, the winch is still pulling up and the bow chock is above the bow eye as a positioning stop so the boat is always in the same location on the trailer even when someone else is doing the cranking, I tell them to winch till the eye touches the black rubber stop.
 

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Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
That's a good tip. I'll give that a try this year. Although, I haven't been having too much of a problem with the bow of my boat falling short of the winch stanchion bow roller. My friend Wayne came up with another solution to this problem by using a hydraulic jack with a roller mounted on it. He places the jack on the trailer's frame just under the bow of the boat. The down side is, he has to get into the water to operate the jack but he doesn't mind that. The full weight of the boat is still on the keel and bunks after the boat is pulled up the ramp. He has his winch stanchion rigged so that the bow roller moves forward against the bow of his boat automatically. Pretty ingenious, I think.

Joe
 

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Feb 23, 2010
64
Catalina 27 North Texas
Thanks for the advice Watercolors. With my old trailer, the bow would always settle 2-6" from the bow chock, which was a roller. I always thought this was because I didn't have a roller under the bow right before the curve. I plan on doing both now.
 
Dec 23, 2008
771
Catalina 22 Central Penna.
Trinkka, the two photos of your friends set up is perfect without the additional front roller and jack set up. The other roller further back and the adjustable winch post setup is all he needs.

Now, to recover a sailboat on a trailer with bunks the boat must be floated onto the trailer, you can not winch it up out of the water like a power boat! If you must do that then change your bunks over to rollers. A power boat has straight sides, bottom, and trailer bunks, your sailboat is curved all over the sides, bottom, and the bunks are also curved, something has to give.

You must submerge your trailer so the front edge of the bunks are 2 to 3 inches below the surface of the water. In this position the boat and keel is floating above the bunks when floated onto the trailer. The boat stops moving forward because the hull is now stopped on the front edge of the bunks which are only inches below the water, if you make the bunks deeper then the boat will move further forward but the stern will be floating higher above the trailer and harder to control. Your friend’s dry working platform pictured on top of the brake unit will have to be raised about 6 to 8 inches to keep his feet dry. That platform where it is now tells me he is not getting his trailer deep enough in the water!

The other bow roller on the trailer is mounted on an adjustable bracket, that roller needs to be moved up to about 1/2 inch below the bottom of the hull. You keep this roller lower than the hull to allow the trailer to flex a little going down the highway. Pulling over uneven payment at high speeds will cause your trailer to flex, if the roller is up tight a lot of the forward hull weight will be carried by just this roller and not the bunks during this bend in the trailer.

Your buddy had to drop this roller down out of the way because with the trailer not very deep in the water the front of the bow was hitting this roller and he could not get it up over the top of it.

This roller up near the hull and the front of the bunks submerged (the trailer is deeper in the water) the bow will now float higher and roll up on top of this roller. You’re now going to lift the bottom of the hull above the front of the submerged bunks and the keel is no longer hitting its bunk With a line attached to the bow you should be able to pull the hull forward 12 to 18 inches. As this roller lifts the bow out of the water the stern sinks thus starting to match the angle of the submerged trailer.

At this point the bow eye should be 12 to 18 inches from its final resting place. The winch level or higher can now continue to lift the bow up and sink the stern, the trailer roller will carry most of this weight which isn't much because your only lifting the bow a couple more inches and the stern is still floating, maybe only about 100 to 200 pounds of pull on the bow eye and the winch.

Your buddy is doing the same thing with the forward roller and jack, lifting the front of the hull and keel above the front of the bunks so the winch can pull the boat forward, but because he is not deep enough in the water he’s probably pulling up to 1000 pounds up and out of the water, that's why you can buy a super heavy duty bow eye retro fit for your boat.

Your buddy’s trailer has a tongue extension, bow roller and an adjustable winch set up, and he still gets wet!!!!!
 

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Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I think I have an idea of what you're trying to explain, but I really don't think that one fix on a bunk trailer is going to solve our problems because we have tides to contend with on the river. Also, Wayne's Seaward 22 has a deeper keel than my O'Day 222. Our trailers are different but I'm fortunate that my Long 23' Aluminum tandem trailer is long enough to float my boat on and off my trailer without the need of a 10' extension tongue and I rarely need to get into the water to snug the bow against the winch stand roller with my winch.
I liked my Load-Rite roller trailer but as it got old it started to nickle and dime me to death. The trailer I have now only gets used about twice a year and it still looks like new.
Wayne is a tinkerer. He's clever and he enjoys trying to solve problems. Believe me, he can do it all like metal fabrication, working on his outboard, installing anti theft electronic devices on his boat, making a sail cover or sewing a UV shield on his Gennie. I don't know many guys who can do all these things and half the stuff that I've learned, I got from him.
 
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