Black sheets

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Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Sta-set is cheaper if I buy the black instead of the tracer type. I saw that one guy had a dark color main sheet since it didn't get put away and stayed in the elements and got dirtier. Is there a problem with black sheets heating up or looking old faster than the white ones?
 
May 20, 2004
151
C&C 26 Ghost Lake, Alberta
Coloured Sheets

I've got a green main halyard (3 seasons); a blue jib halyard (3 seasons); a black furling line (3 seasons) and a red mainsheet (7 seasons).
All are exposed 12 months a year!
The red mainsheet is starting to fade a bit, but there's still another 7 seasons left in it I think! The rest still look newish.

sam :)
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Herman: I have never seen the colored sta-set line from New England priced cheaper than the white with a tracer.

Be sure that you are getting what you think you are paying for.

Good quality line will last for many years so there is no reason to purchase cheap stuff thinking that you are going to save money.
 

Manny

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Oct 5, 2006
983
Hunter 82? 37 Cutter Wherever the wind takes me
Hey Hermit, I have black sheets on my genny and I am unsure of the age but they are at least 5 years old and they look fine. I wash them every year. My main sheet is (was) white and it looks like cr@p even after washing.

Manny
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Black is most resistant to UV degradation, white is the least resistant - same for all fabrics and fibers.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Put lines out of sunlight when not in use

The past several years I've used what I'd call a sacrificial line to enable me to get the halyards out of the sunlight.

In the past I used to attach the shackle to something on deck which leaves some 50-feet or more of halyard line exposed to the elements and sunlight.

Lately, I attach a 5/16" three-strand dacron line to the halyard shackle (main or jib and spinaker) and hoist the halyard with shackle and line to the top of the mast then secure the dacron line to something like the pulpit or pushpit. This way the halyards are protected.

The next step is to find a way to protect the lines from the base of the mast to the cockpit but I'm almost there.

UV degradation: Black should be one the best for UV protection and red tends to really lose it's color. That is one reason many fire trucks are painted white or yellow rather than red because that color is one of the most prone to fading.

This doesn't mean to say one can't see black loose it's blackness over time - it does - but note that degration isn't necessarily measured by color visual change.

There is a product made by 303 Products (either Fabric Guard or Aerospace Protectant), the company that makes spray on repellant for Sunbrella, that they say can be used on certain plastics, including line, in order to slow down the UV degradation process.

Their web site: http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm I'm sure they could clue one in on which is the best for protecting color.
 
Sep 19, 2006
643
SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
Black is most resistant to UV degradation, white is the least resistant - same for all fabrics and fibers.
i read just the oposit somewhere??? it was a book on sail making and they we're referring to the thread for sail making and they stated that white is the least effected by uv light
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,054
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
UV Degradation?

Long time ago I learned a trick for bungee cord that woudl work just as well on line: sunscreen!!! Your choice of SPF, too!
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
i read just the oposit somewhere??? it was a book on sail making and they we're referring to the thread for sail making and they stated that white is the least effected by uv light
Not in real world practice ... especially those fibers that are severely degraded by UV - eg.: nylons that are used in spinnakers, etc. - the white/lighter colors rather than the 'dark' colors are the ones that 'go' first (and not talking about color fade but rather strength of the fibers as affected by UV). When a nylon spinnaker or lightweight dacron 'drifter' is so degraded its always the 'light/white' areas that one can literally push a finger through the fabric and rarely through the 'dark' sections. Its also the reason that not too long ago that many long distance sailors preferred 'tanbark' colored sails over white sails.

Some of the 'top of the line' sailcloth manufacturers (Bainbridge, Contender, Marblehead, etc.) are adding / offering a WHITE UV protectant over the fabric - titanium dioxide (same pigment used in WHITE paint) http://www.challengesailcloth.com/pdf/catalog.pdf ... so your reference may be referring to these sailcloth fabrics with such "UV coatings" already applied.
 
Dec 17, 2008
35
Morgan 30 Classic Long Island
I have rose/pink Genny sheets now. They were red when I bought them new. Never again.

My Canvas guy states that all colors today resist the same way. I will tell ya, that people with Black bimini covers around here seem happy with them. They seem to look newer for a long time. My new Dodger is a dark Marine Blue. Love it. Sail cover is Pacific blue as well as furling cover. If they need replacement I will probably go with the new Marine Blue.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Best Buys on Line

If you are looking to buy line the best place I've found is the back room at Defender where they have all kinds of remnants you can pick up at drastically discounted prices. They have coils of all types of line hanging on pegs and you can sort through them and select what suits you. Usually these are end of spools and typically long enough for sheets and dock lines. I built a series drogue and used multiple lengths that I spliced together to make a long line. Great buys there. Hermit Scott if you sail up to New England, pull into Niantic Bay in Ct., anchor up, row to shore, call a taxi, go to Defender and buy your line, then return to your boat. You will be glad you made this trip. You will probably save a few hundred bucks and gain millions of dollars of experience making the journey.
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
sheets halyards ect: my 2 c

I bought new stayset X halyards when I first bought the boat in 2000 they were red then
they are sort of a pale raspberry now. My main sheet is green from yale cordage I bought that new at vthe same time Its their eqivelent of stayset X A little softer feel though. I would have preferred stayset X for the main sheet but the marine supply had an odd piece that would do the job and the price was right. My jib sheets are gray (originally white) I think they are sampson yacht braid Im not sure but I think they were original equipment when the boat was new in 75.

All lines are satisfactory. Color is not important to me. My criteria is quality first than prrice
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,204
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Black will look better longer. Solid color lines don't show dirt as much as white line. Newport Rope company (sta-set) is the only one that charges extra for solid colors that I have seen. For good sheets take a look at Yale yacht braid....

If you are serious about minimizing wear and tear on your new jib sheets.... do not leave them out. Remove them when your sailing session is over. Do not use a continous single line doubled through the tack--- only dinghy sailors do that. Use two separate sheets attached with bowlines. That way you will be constantly rotating the ends and changing sides... like a polishing rag that you are always re folding and turning. If you have roller furling, remove the sheets and attach an old single line to secure the sail when you wrap it up for good.

I have black mainsheet that stays out all the time. It's Samson XLS and has held up well for five seasons... still looks new.
 

Dave Groshong

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Jan 25, 2007
1,867
Catalina 22 Seattle
We offer Samson XLS here, an excellent all around line for club racers and cruisers alike. I don't think anyone has Samson lines for cheaper, but if they do, we'll match any advertised price:

http://shop.sailboatowners.com/rigging_builder/detail-builder.htm?group=1417

XLS is low stretch enough to do a good job with halyards, and it doesn't have that wire stiffness of Sta-SetX. All colors of Samson XLS have equal UV resistance and color fastness.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
If you are looking to buy line the best place I've found is the back room at Defender where they have all kinds of remnants you can pick up at drastically discounted prices. They have coils of all types of line hanging on pegs and you can sort through them and select what suits you. Usually these are end of spools and typically long enough for sheets and dock lines. I built a series drogue and used multiple lengths that I spliced together to make a long line. Great buys there. Hermit Scott if you sail up to New England, pull into Niantic Bay in Ct., anchor up, row to shore, call a taxi, go to Defender and buy your line, then return to your boat. You will be glad you made this trip. You will probably save a few hundred bucks and gain millions of dollars of experience making the journey.
I would love to sail up to New England to pick up some sheets. I guess they would be back ups since I would have to buy sheets to get there. :) But well worth it.
My wife jsut got picked to be a "bud girl". A job just came up in Galveston that is a 4 day event, which is a 4 hour drive for us. But I told her "no problem, you can take any job along the coast as long as we sail there and stay on the boat". I haven't figured out transportation when we get there yet. But I will figure it out.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Black sheets, white sheets, brown sheets, It would be so easy to hijack this thread that i can't stand it. When I first saw the title I wondered if Hermit was talking about boats or beds. ;)
 
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