Best way to decontaminate a siliconed window?

Aug 17, 2013
1,014
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
Hey everybody
Working on a salon window, that took 2 days to remove from the boat because the PO installed it with 5200
And silicones the crap out of it to the frame, and of course it still leaked, managed to take it apart, need to scrape off the silicone, but how do I decontaminate it?
It will be sealed with butyl to the frame and again butyl to seal the frame to the boat
 

JRacer

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Aug 9, 2011
1,365
Beneteau 310 Cheney KS (Wichita)
Might see if you can get any guidance from US Plastics www.usplastic.com. Maybe their tech support people can assist or perhaps there is some tech articles on their site. You would need to know and give them the type of material with which you are dealing.

Don't you just love the PO's skill and craftsmanship!
 
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dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,409
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
A couple observations. Cleaning tempered glass is easy. But you have all the other materials, the frame whatever it is made from, probably fiberglass where it seats, possibly wood in there depending. So you'll want to clean those surfaces. Butyl does not really adhere to the surface, it seals against the surface.

So clean as best you can. Get a smooth even sealing surface and then use the butyl to seal. I'm assuming the frame somehow mounts holding the glass in place. The trick is getting a smooth continuous sealing surface that the butyl will seal against.

Just my 2 cents worth.

dh
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,264
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Adding to @dLj 's comments which are right on the mark, maybe one or two additional comments :

the PO installed it with 5200
One problem here is that 5200 is not silicone, its polyurethane. Contains no silicone.

Years ago I was concerned about replacing the lens of a framed hatch lens. The frame had a few places where it was near impossible to remove the remaining sealant and of course the sealant stuck like :poop: to a blanket (or in this case an old frame).

I wrote to 3M and, as often seen back in the good old days, they answered me the next day in great detail :

Dear Ralph,

This is a follow-up message from Dow Corning to your recent inquiry. Yes, 795 will adhere to old 795 as long as the old cured 795 is clean, dry, and frost free. Below I have provided information that discusses the removal and replacement of cured silicone sealant and our recommendations.

Removal and Replacement of Cured Silicone Sealant

A properly designed and installed silicone joint will typically last 20 years without need of replacement. In instances where the joint has experienced mechanical or other damage and replacement is required, follow the procedures below. Assess the problem with the joint.

1. If the sealant is cured properly and performing application but its appearance is poor (i.e., due to improper tooling), then cleaning the sealant surface with a solvent and recapping the joint should be sufficient.

a) Clean sealant with a solvent (i.e., xylene, toluene) to remove dirt. Allow solvent to evaporate.

b) Remask the joint.

c) Apply a thin bead of fresh sealant over the cured sealant.

d) Dry tool the sealant.

e) Remove the masking material.

2. If the sealant is mechanically damaged and a recapping will not improve the joint appearance, then remove the section of old sealant and replace it.

a) Cut away the old sealant. If excellent adhesion to the substrate is still maintained, then leave some sealant at the edges of the joint (up to 0.08"/2 mm thick).

b) If adhesion to the substrate is poor, then remove sealant down to the substrate and clean the substrate and recondition if necessary (i.e., clean with xylene and prime with appropriate primer).

c) Mask the joint.

d) Reapply the sealant. (If resealing does not occur on the same day, the joint will have to be recleaned using a solvent such as xylene or toluene before applying the fresh sealant.)

e) Dry tool the joint.

f) Remove the masking material.

g) Check adhesion after the sealant has cured for 7 days.


Thank you for contacting Dow Corning. If I can be of further assistance, feel free to contact me.

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Basically, it looks like nothing adheres to silicone except silicone. However, being from Missouri, I decided to test it. A thin wipe of 795 on on a piece of glass and let it sit for a few days until set. After a few days, a small blob of 795 on top of the first 795 and let it set for a few days more. There was no way in hell the blob was coming off the older 795. Good enough for me even though the 795 underlay was not years old. No leaks to date. Try a test on your lenses and frames. Something's not quite right.

Do not use butyl tape on the windows :

Butyl does not really adhere to the surface, it seals against the surface.
Exactly. Given enough time, the lens will fall away into the cold, cold sea without something to hold it in place. It has no muscle for holding but relies on nuts, bolts, ahd screws to provide a superlative seal. Use 795 as all the boat manufacturers do "

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Aug 17, 2013
1,014
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
The frame is aluminium, the main frame is made of 2 parts, one upper and one lower, both have a channel to hold the glass in place, then there is a retaining ring that screws from the inside of the boat.
So the frame was held with 5200 and the window with silicone
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,409
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
The frame is aluminium, the main frame is made of 2 parts, one upper and one lower, both have a channel to hold the glass in place, then there is a retaining ring that screws from the inside of the boat.
So the frame was held with 5200 and the window with silicone
Your frame doesn't screw/bolt either into or through the structure holding the glass in place? As in, no mechanical fastening for the glass?

dj
 
Aug 17, 2013
1,014
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
There are 2 screws (4 really but 2 hold a piece that holds the frame parts together
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,409
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I'm guessing the two screws are in the center at the two ends of the frame.

Have you got photos of these?

dh
 
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Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
ReMov, as quoted in post 7. It will take off the residue and allow full strength bonding. Really. I tested quite a few side-by-side. This is the real deal.

Follow the instructions, a wire brush can help, and then rinse and wipe with acetone when finished.
 

RitSim

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Jan 29, 2018
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Beneteau 411 Branford
I have successfully used Dow 795. Also found that my leaks were from the aluminum joint you referred to. Same material available at Mcmaster.com for 20% of price listed above.

3M sells a special dbl stick tape for mounting the lens in the frame. Useful for both fixed sidelights and ports. The tape creates a gap for the sealant so it can properly expand and contract.

 
Jan 4, 2006
7,264
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Same material available at Mcmaster.com for 20% of price listed above.
I notices that. Every so often Amazon goes off the deep end with prices. I buy close to home for around $10 to $12.

3M sells a special dbl stick tape for mounting the lens in the frame.
That reminds me, there is a Gold Standard in lens replacement videos from Boatworks today :

 
Aug 17, 2013
1,014
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
Well it took a lot of time and patience, but the window is back in one piece.
Going to install it after work today, weather permitting
 

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Aug 17, 2013
1,014
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
Salon window installed, sorry no pictures
Went on without any problems