Battery Bank Sizing - What Does It Mean?

Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The life of batteries is directly proportional to the number of discharge cycles as well as the "DOD" or depth of discharge.

Cycling your batteries to a 50% DOD is the generally industry accepted low you want to regularly discharge to. If you can keep your state of charge to 60% or 70% you're doing even better and your batteries will last longer and give a longer cycle life. Less DOD = longer life!

One other thing that is often overlooked, is that when away from shore power, and charging off an alternator, you will rarely get back to any more than 80-85% of capacity so your real usable Ah's from a 200 amp bank quickly become 80-85 amp hours of usable battery life before you hit 50% DOD..

Weekend Warrior: (tied to dock charger each night and charging back to 100%)

I will use two 4D batteries for this example but the math works on all of them.

The average group 4D has about 160Ah's. With two 4D's @ 160 Ah you will get a max of 160 Ah of usable capacity for two batteries in parallel before hitting the 50% threshold.

Two Group 4D's:
160Ah + 160 Ah = 320 TOTAL Ah's (Based on Exide Nautilus 4D)

160 Ah's use @ a 50% DOD = 160 Ah's left in bank or a 50% bank DOD

160 Ah - This is your usable capacity if you can guarantee a 100% charge every day.


Mooring Sailors or Cruisers: (Assuming no solar or wind generation)

If recharging while away from the dock, with an alternator, the best you can usually get back to is about 80% SOC. This is due to battery acceptance.

SOC = state of charge

80% SOC of a 320 Ah bank = 256 Ah's of total bank capacity

256 Ah's (80%) - 160 Ah's (to a 50% SOC) = 96 usable Ah's while out cruising!

Looked at another way;
320 Ah @ 80% SOC = 256 Ah - 96 usable Ah's = 160 Ah's or a 50% bank DOD

96 Ah's - This is your usable Ah capacity while away from the dock and only using the alternator to re-charge.


As an example an Adler Barbour fridge can draw 5+/- amps when running. If you figure it runs for 50% of the 24 hour day, you've burned about 60 Ah's with just the fridge or 62.5% of your total usable bank capacity while away from the dock using the 80% rule.

Ideally you should do an energy budget to know what your other draws total. With two 4D's and a 12V fridge you can do just one night without charging. 320 Ah's may seem like a lot but it vanishes quickly when you do the math. At best you should only ever use 50% of any house bank or battery life gets short. This of course is only if you want to follow the 50% - 80% rule and get long life out of your bank.

A battery monitor is a good investment and will tell you how efficient your fridge really is and how many Ah's you actually consume daily. Some fridges cycle as low as 25% and some as high as 80% of the time. Unless you want to sit in the bilge with a stop watch for 24 hours and time its cycling a battery monitor can make this much easier on you. The cycling range of variable load or cycling devices can be a rather big difference and could be a costly mistake if yours is a high cycler vs. a low cycler.

A Victron BMV-600 Battery Monitor (LINK) is very reasonable at $158.10..

So in summary, two 4D house bank of 320 Ah's will give you:

Weekend Warrior:
160 Ah's of usable capacity when sailing off the dock and charged every day.

Moored Boats or Cruising:
96 Ah's of usable capacity when charging off an alternator.
 

Les

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May 8, 2004
375
Hunter 27 Bellingham, WA
Main Sail.
Nice summary of marine battery use that took me forty years to figure out. 4Ds are big suckers so I switched to 6 volt wet cells which gave me more amps overall....and I could carry them! Now on my day sailor I have two D29 AGM batteries with a shore power hookup. But your summary was well done. Thanks.

Les
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
Hi Maine Sail,
I enjoyed meeting you at the boat show, and I should have had one of these on my list "to look for". From your link, the monitor works only for the one bank. While cruising and running a 1000W generator for about 45-60 minutes, one could keep up with that refrigerator. Just a thought.
All U Get
 
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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hi Maine Sail,
I enjoyed meeting you at the boat show, and I should have had one of these on my list "to look for". From your link, the monitor works only for the one bank. While cruising and running a 1000W generator for about 45-60 minutes, one could keep up with that refridgerator. Just a thought.
All U Get
Really no need to spend the additional $30.00+ to monitor the voltage of a starter bank. The house bank is the one that is important.

Depending upon your shore chargers amp output capabilities, bank size and acceptance of the bank you may or may not keep with the the fridge with only a generator on for 45-60 minutes. You can certainly replace some of the used Ah's but will rarely get it all back in with just 45-60 minutes unless you have a honking charger and a bank with higher acceptance rates like AGM's or even GEL..

A 300 Ah wet cell bank at 50% SOC can accept about 75 amps of charge current in bulk charge but as the voltage in the bank increases the current accepted begins to decline.

A 50% DOD of the bank puts you at 150 Ah's needing to go back in to be at 100% state of charge or 90 Ah's to get back to 80% SOC . BUT Peukert's Law will dictate that you need roughly 120% or more of that 150Ah's put back in in order to get back to 100% SOC. So what you take out is less than what needs to go back in. As voltage increase and the internal resistance in the battery climbs the amount of current they will take or accept also declines.

If you were running a 75 amp shore charger, about the biggest an EU2000 will support, off your generator, you could not even get back to 80% in an hours run time with a 75 amp charger using a 300 Ah wet cell bank as an example. Most shore charger are quite a bit smaller than 75 amps and in more often in the 10 - 30 amp range.

A good battery monitor will tell you exactly what is happening and you don't need to spend the extra to monitor the starting bank, unless of course you want to

Great chatting with you too and I am glad I now know it is Southport in Portland not Southport Island!!
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
A 50% DOD of the bank puts you at 150 Ah's needing to go back in to be at 100% state of charge or 90 Ah's to get back to 80% SOC . BUT Peukert's Law will dictate that you need roughly 120% or more of that 150Ah's put back in in order to get back to 100% SOC. So what you take out is less than what needs to go back in. As voltage increase and the internal resistance in the battery climbs the amount of current they will take or accept also declines.

If you were running a 75 amp shore charger, about the biggest an EU2000 will support, off your generator, you could not even get back to 80% in an hours run time with a 75 amp charger using a 300 Ah wet cell bank as an example. Most shore charger are quite a bit smaller than 75 amps and in more often in the 10 - 30 amp range.

A good battery monitor will tell you exactly what is happening and you don't need to spend the extra to monitor the starting bank, unless of course you want to

Great chatting with you too and I am glad I now know it is Southport in Portland not Southport Island!!
So putting the Ah back in the batteries slows the process. That's why I like boat shows, I see what I'd like to add and then find out it's expensive. Having cold drinks on cruises will take some figuring especially if we head south. I would need another battery and solar panels. Wait a minute, my wife wants to say something. :naughty:
All U Get
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
So putting the Ah back in the batteries slows the process. That's why I like boat shows, I see what I'd like to add and then find out it's expensive. Having cold drinks on cruises will take some figuring especially if we head south. I would need another battery and solar panels. Wait a minute, my wife wants to say something. :naughty:
All U Get
Putting it back does not necessarily slow the process but it does take longer to get it all back in then it does to take it out.

Also if you withdraw current at a higher rate than the 20 hour Ah rating, which is the industry standard for deep cycle batteries, you'll also have less Ah's than your battery is rated for. Draw the current out at a rate that is less than the 20 hour rating and you have more Ah's available...

Battery "A" has an amp hour rating of 150, dividing by 20 = 7.5A. This battery can support a 7.5 A load for 20 hours before falling to 10.5 volts/dead. A battery with a 60Ah rating will carry a 3 amp load for 20 hours before dropping to 10.5 volts, a 100Ah battery will support 5 amps for 20 hours and so on.

However if you draw the 60Ah or the 150Ah battery at higher than their 20 hour rated load, 3A or 7.5A you will get less Ah's out of the bank. If you draw the batteries at less than their rating you will get more Ah's.

Many folks assume that if you take out 50 Ah's you put back 50Ah's. In reality you need to put back more than 50Ah's to fully replenish the bank. They also assume that if you have a 100A alt or charger you can put 100Ah's back into the battery an hour, also not accurate in all situations..