Batteries & solar panels

May 30, 2014
27
Catalina 310 Apollo Beach
Our 310 has 2 - 4d batteries. I plan on replacing them and run them as one bank and adding a starting battery. I have been looking and can not seem to find a battery with a longer warranty than 1 yr. Does anyone have suggestions on manufacturers? Has anyone added a starting battery?
We are also considering a solar panel to help run the refrigeration. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have never had a solar panel before.
Thanks
Eric
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
I installed a 135W Kyocera panel on davits. It does an excellent job of keeping up with the refrigeration. Our neighbors in the next slip installed a similar panel on brackets over their bimini on their C320.
There are very good discussions on which brand of battery to use in the archives. Particularly reference Maine Sail, who has done a lot of research on this topic. In addition, Jesse, our technical editor, I believe has researched this issue.
 
Dec 7, 2012
515
Kittiwake 23, Irwin 43 .. Indianapolis / indianatown, fl
hello all

I have a 67 Kittiwake 23' and a 71 Morgan 35'.... I have solar panels on both boats.... the Kittiwake has 2 - 30 watt solar panels and a 2 battery bank to run all my electrical components... on my Morgan 35' I have 3 - 100 watt solar panels and 6 battery house bank and 1 starter battery....

the key is all in how they are controlled with a solar controller... on my Kittiwake I have a 15 amp solar controller.... on my Morgan, i have a 30 amp controller .... you should keep the starter battery separate from your house bank... this way if you run down your house banks from too many electronics, then you can still start your inboard....

with a 3 way switch, you can redirect power from your engine to your house bank to recharge them in the event you do not have a lot of sun for the solar panels, or you can redirect the extra power from the controller to your starter battery to recharge it...

hope this helps

sincerely
Jess
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Eric,

I am going to give you some replies with a bunch of links from my experience.

1) Forget about the 4D batteries. They are not good deep cycle batteries and are actually a multi-purpose. Look into 6 volt golf cart batteries or Group 31 12 volt. Thankfully, Maine Sail has already done a lot of the homework and identified a quality, affordable brand. The Duracell ECG2 from Sam's Club. I recommend looking into going with a large primary bank and a small reserve bank. See below for sizes.

2) While AGM or gel may be appealing, stick with the flooded. You need to do a lot more work to go with AGM or gel that is likely not worth it for you.

3) Spend some time reading about the 1/2/both/off switch and how to properly setup your new system.

4) You might also want to consider a couple other upgrades while you are at it. For instance, I added a positive distribution buss, wired my alternator directly to this buss, added an ACR and a battery monitor. Definitely worth taking the time to understand these system and consider/plan an upgrade.

5) Do a power consumption workup to help you size your batteries and solar panels appropriately. I have attached mine but this is based on being full-time liveaboards and cruisers. Your use will likely be different and change some of these aspects.

6) Once you do the power consumption workup you can size your bank(s). Again, I recommend going with a primary bank and a reserve bank. I helped a friend install two of the ECG2s as a primary bank with a group 27 as the reserve bank on his Catalina 30. This gave him a primary bank of 230 Ah and he was fine using his boat for weekend and vacation cruises with this setup. No need to go too big if you are not going to use it. Your boat has two 180 Ah banks but they are probably not getting that type of capacity any longer due to age. I went with 4 of the ECG2 for a primary bank of 460 Ah and a Group 24 reserve. It's a tight fit and I had to make some compromises to get them in. You want to pay attention to orientation when you install the batteries.

7) When you go to buy the components, don't cheap out. I used some lower end components and have either replaced them or are planning to. Go with something like Blue Sea Systems or another well respected marine grade company. Saving a few bucks on a cheaper ANL fuse is not worth it. I did it and had an 80 amp ANL fuse go with no sign of blowing. It cost me a weather window to leave a fogged in port in Maine while I diagnosed the problem. Could have been a lot worse. I now only buy Blue Sea Systems fuses (but this might have to change, see the 800 lb gorilla post from MS).

8) Consider adding a battery watering system. I went with the Flow-Rite system and love having it. At the very least consider a battery filler. And get a battery hydrometer or refractometer while you are at it. I have both. And when you purchase distilled water, go with Poland Springs. As usual, Maine Sail has done the legwork for you.

9) Go with good quality battery boxes and remove the fiberglass tray that the factory installed. On mine they screwed through the bottom and it wasn't watertight any more. The Dyno boxes sold here are great. Also, pay attention to the hold down system in the orientation article above.

10) Solar is something I am still working on but will add this year. A good place to start is this article from Compass Marine Services (aka Maine Sail's business page). It is a great primary on how to size and on how to install.

11) As to the type of panels, that will depend on a lot. I am currently leaning towards Renogy bendable solar panels installed on the bimini and some other places. But this goes against all of Maine Sail's advice. It's a cost thing for me at the moment. But the reasons I have not made this purchase is because Maine Sail does have really compelling reasons why he recommends Solbians for this type of panel over the other brands that are available. It's a very tough choice. Quality vs. cruising kitty. I will definately go with the flexible panels. Just not sure on the brand yet.

Hope this was helpful.

Good luck and fair winds,

Jesse
 

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Eric,
I added a starting battery but honestly did not spend any time selecting it. I also have 2 - 4D batteries and have just connected them in parallel which helps immensely when at anchor or on a mooring. Can last probably 3 days without having to run the engine. Actually will run out of water first... Anyway, my starting battery is mounted under the aft cabin in a battery box and it is an Interstate Group 27 flooded battery because it really does not take much battery power to turn over my 18 hp Yanmar so I was trying to stay as small as possible for the starting battery. The starter is wired to batery switch #1 and the 4D's are wired to #2 on the battery selector switch. Works great. The other thing that I recommend is I added a digital voltmeter so that I can more accurately monitor the state of charge of the batteries.

Will eventuially look into solar panels but that is several years away. Hope this helps.
bob
 
Mar 6, 2009
43
Catalina 310 Dunedin, Fl
Eric,
I added a starting battery but honestly did not spend any time selecting it. I also have 2 - 4D batteries and have just connected them in parallel which helps immensely when at anchor or on a mooring. Can last probably 3 days without having to run the engine. Actually will run out of water first... Anyway, my starting battery is mounted under the aft cabin in a battery box and it is an Interstate Group 27 flooded battery because it really does not take much battery power to turn over my 18 hp Yanmar so I was trying to stay as small as possible for the starting battery. The starter is wired to batery switch #1 and the 4D's are wired to #2 on the battery selector switch. Works great. The other thing that I recommend is I added a digital voltmeter so that I can more accurately monitor the state of charge of the batteries.

Will eventuially look into solar panels but that is several years away. Hope this helps.
bob
#1 in GA.

I have the same arrangement as you, except I have two group 29 deep cycles instead of the 4D. They are also connected in parallel and have a separate starting battery for the engine. The boat originally came with two 8D batteries that were about 7 years old and in desperate need of replacing. I have found this arrangement works well, since being at anchor more than three days depletes our water supply.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
A little thread hijack,

I am surprised about the water usage. We live aboard and can usually go 4-6 days. We also use the freshwater to flush the head most of the time too. In the past we have gone 8 days when trying to conserve.
 
Mar 6, 2009
43
Catalina 310 Dunedin, Fl
A little thread hijack,

I am surprised about the water usage. We live aboard and can usually go 4-6 days. We also use the freshwater to flush the head most of the time too. In the past we have gone 8 days when trying to conserve.
In addition to what you mention, count on daily showers. Here in Florida, even in the winter, we need to take showers every day. When we were living aboard, many years ago and a larger boat, we would use salt water and then only rinse with fresh water. But now that we are older, I really enjoy my daily shower. We only have the 35 gallons in the forward tank. When we leave for the Keys in March, I will carry an additional 10 gallons on deck. But I fear that may only give me an additional couple of days.
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Have you considered adding another collapsible bladder tank? I have even considered that for my 250. Chief
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
We have a 40 gal water tank and easily go 6 days taking daily showers and dish washing. We use gallon water jugs to flush the head and take conservative showers. You know, wet down, soap up, rinse. When we shower we leave the toilet seat up so water running off us has a chance to be used for a flush.

I wish I could install a shower sump but there is no room. I pour CLR down the shower drain every few days to fight crud in the bilge.