batteries in series

Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 430 Shelter bay, Panama
I am thinking about installing golf cart batteries for my house bank instead of 8Ds. I know I can wire 2 6v in series to get the 12v my system uses. however, there is room for 3 golf cart batteries in place of each 8D. is there a way to wire 3of them instead of 2 or will the increased volts just cause problems? for those of you who know the answer, be kind in your responses. I do not know.
 
May 20, 2016
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Catalina 36 MK1 94 Everett, WA
my friend @jssailem used 12V sweeper batteries in place of 6V golf cart batteries - if you want to fit 3 in - you might go that way - as Ron said above the 6V need to be in pairs.
 
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Oct 29, 2016
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Hunter 41 DS Port Huron
Not sure what 6V batteries you are looking at, but (2) Trojan 105's is almost the same size as an 8D 12V battery.
 
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Sep 28, 2008
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Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
I am thinking about installing golf cart batteries for my house bank instead of 8Ds. I know I can wire 2 6v in series to get the 12v my system uses. however, there is room for 3 golf cart batteries in place of each 8D. is there a way to wire 3of them instead of 2 or will the increased volts just cause problems? for those of you who know the answer, be kind in your responses. I do not know.
Monty I replaced 2 8D's with 4 6v Trojan T105's. Added a third set under the sole plate. But It would difficult to get 3 T105's in the place of one 8D.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
You could connect them all in series to get 18v and use a $20 adjustable voltage regulator. I don't know the exact price or brand. I only know they exist.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 
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Oct 29, 2016
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Hunter 41 DS Port Huron
You could connect them all in series to get 18v and use a $20 adjustable voltage regulator. I don't know the exact price or brand. I only know they exist.

- Will (Dragonfly)
You may be able to get a regulator for $20 that will do 5 amps, but when you are talking about a house bank you would have understand total load x 1.xx safety factor, its all dependent on the load summation.
Standard golf car bats are 7.125 W x 10.25 L x 10.2 H so I guess you could cram (3) side by side, but I am thinking the battery case for a 8D bat will not allow for it. Better off to get a second case if you need the extra juice and go with (4) x 6 V bats wired series parallel. Your Hunter 43 I believe already has at least 2 x 8D bats which would give you (2) boxes to load bats into.
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
If you have electrical devices on board that run on 18vdc & an 18v charging system, then no problem. Unfortunately, I do not know of any marine electrical devices that run on 18v. I have seen 24vdc & 36vdc systems on larger boats, but I have not yet seen 18vdc used. Most 12vdc devices like radios, chart plotters, etc. start to get fried at voltages above 15vdc.
 
Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
If you want three golf car batteries you'll need to use 12V GC12 batteries, in parallel, such as the Trojan T1275's.
 
Nov 26, 2008
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Endeavour 42 Cruisin
Trojan T 1275's are great batteries. They are the same footprint as the 6 volt GC batteries but they are taller. 150 A/H and about 100 lbs.
 
Jun 1, 2009
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Hunter 49 toronto
Respectfully, this is a really bad idea
To go from 18 volts down to 12 volts means that you are dropping 6 volts in the regulator circuit.
The 6 volt drop will be converted to heat (conservation of energy physics).
And it will be a lot of heat, as modern regulators use MOSFETs with a typical Zener diode referenced circuit.

Now for a positive reccomendation
If you are going with golf cart batteries, for sure get Water Miser battery caps.
These are really neat items. They basically recirculate the evaporated water (when the battery is charging), and trickle the water back into the batteries.
Without these caps I was constantly topping up the water. Now it's once a season. Highly recommended
 
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Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
To go from 18 volts down to 12 volts means that you are dropping 6 volts in the regulator circuit.
The 6 volt drop will be converted to heat (conservation of energy physics).
While I don't know a whole lot about practical applications of electricity, my understanding of electrical energy is that volts, amps and resistance are directly related to each other. Yes, energy in an electrical circuit will create heat, but dropping voltage down doesn't lose all that energy to heat. It can be achieved by decreasing the resistance or by decreasing the amperage (V=ir) or both. You don't simply give up the energy by dropping the voltage.
If, to use an imperfect analogy, water flowing through a narrows was electricity, voltage represents the force that water exerts on a resistance to that flow, amperage is the rate of flow (how fast the current), and resistance is the restrictive width and depth of the narrows (how much work is needed to push that water through at the rate it is going).
Perhaps, if the regulator were designed inefficiently, it might generate excess heat and not preserve the V=ir relationship. But, if the amperage is maintained and the resistance is lowered, a voltage drop would be experienced with less heat generated than the original circuit. This is tantamount to widening the narrows. If the current is slowed in the same narrows, again, a drop in force (voltage) and less heat generated.
I'll concede that most of what I know about electricity was learned in classes on theory for small circuit electronics. I have almost never had to do more than rewire my house to add a couple of sub panels and split 220 ac down to 110 ac.
I only know, the examples of voltage regulators I've seen on the market were inexpensive and fairly simple devices. I have no experience working with them and little practice thinking like an electrical engineer.
Take this as you will, but I believe in what I'm saying.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 
Jun 1, 2009
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Hunter 49 toronto
No, no, no

This is wrong
Please let me explain about voltage regulation circuits
If you want to increase voltage, you typically use what it called a switching converter. It basically takes the input voltage, chops it at a high frequency, and then filters it through inductive / capacitive filters. These can be at very, very maximum 85% efficient . They are called "boost converters"
The opposite of a boost converter is a "buck converter".
It can use some of the same principles, but you are still dropping voltage across passive elements
The "family" of buck/boost converters are genetically called "DC/DC converters"
There are several notable marine suppliers such as Newmar.
They have, as an example a 24-12 volt converter at the TOP of their current range which is rated at 20 amps or so.
It is meant to power things such as SSB radios, etc. It is a switching converter, and will be about 80% efficient with a pretty big heat sink.
20 amps is about 1/10th the current you are talking about with golf cart battteries.
Simply put, you cannot drop 6 volts in a 200 amp circuit without major thermal losses.
Voltage drop across a DC current equals power.
In AC circuits you can use reactive (capacitive), voltage dividers, but with very limited current.
So, this is ohms law. No way to change that.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
Thanks for the explanation, artboas. Extremely interesting.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
@artboas No one is suggesting to go from 18 to 12 volts. The OP has an 8D 12 volt battery. He wants to change the battery type to a group of 6 volt batteries.
The 6 volt batteries will be wired in pairs to give 12 volt power, then in parallel to build a single house battery bank system with lots of Amp Hours. He raised the idea of putting 3 of the batteries in the space of the single 8D battery. This would be a problem as the 6 volt batteries would need to be wired in pairs.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
No one is suggesting to go from 18 to 12 volts. The OP has an 8D 12 volt battery.
Thanks JS, but I was making that suggestion. Artboas' explanation about why that was a bad idea, set me straight. It sounded, to me, like the OP wanted to know how to get 12 volts out of three 6 volt batteries. I guess I misunderstood and now I know a little more about electronics than I did before.
Honestly, I thought a simple step-down transforming induction coil would do it, but voltage regulators don't sound that simple. I just looked it up and it appears that transformers require AC current. I don't know of they are more efficient (less heat). The DC current sounds like it needs to be converted (chopped up) to AC then stepped down through something like an induction coil.
At some point, I want to set up electric on Dragonfly, to run a 24v electric motor. I was thinking about putting two batteries on either side of the cb trunk for my 24 volts and installing a 3rd battery for lights and vent fan, etc. They would be separate system. For me, the biggest issue is in battery size. I am looking to place them under the cockpit sole, but there is very limited space there and I would like to get, at least, 150ah. At some point, I would connect them to an arch mounted solar panel. The DC/AC inverter issue is one I was also interested in because I was thinking about building my own motor from an AC induction motor on an old 2hp outboard lower unit. Inverters come in different types. Some use a "chopped up" DC voltage to simulate AC voltage and others are "true" sine wave inverters. The chopped up DC voltage, I understand, is very hard on induction motors, the current change is too sudden (motor momentum carries the motion forward when the current has reversed, before the coil is on the correct side of the magnetic field). The higher quality inverters seem to be very efficient but also very expensive. At some point, when/if I get more time, I will study up on the subject to see if making my own is a possibility.
Every little bit of information is helpful.
I hope I haven't confused the issue with the OP. Thankfully, there are some excellent and expert participants who catch this stuff.

Will (Dragonfly)
 
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