Batteries and Electrics on H33

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Butch Landreneau

First...pros-cons for Gel vs. AGM's? Any H33 owners running three batteries? If so, where? There is not much room in engine compartment for anything, esp for an additional battery. Anyone know what group batteries originally came with H33?
 
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Tim Schaaf

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My first answer will probably provoke a lively discussion; although the West Marine's of the world will trumpet the advantages of gel cells (and, to be sure, there are some), they are not ideal for hot conditions, which include the engine box on the H33. If you REALLY press the technical support people of the companies who make them, they will admit that the gell cells are extremely heat sensitive (think of all those cruisers setting out for the tropics) since water cannot be added to the electrolyte, and that they really don't charge at a much different rate from the floodeds. I have had no experience with AGM's, but they sound interesting. Before I bought them, however, I would satisfy myself that they are truly a hot weather battery. And a salesperson is NOT whom I would ask! The Hunter 33 came with group 24 batteries, or at least my 1980 did. Group 27's will also fit in the battery area over the shower sump. I also use the area under the galley counter and sink for two batteries, one right inside the little door on the left side, up against the bulkhead that bounds the ice box, and another almost amidships, as far to the right as possible. For what it is worth, I started with two group 24's, then changed to two six volt golf car batteries as a house bank, with a single group 27 starting battery under the galley. Then I ditched the starting battery, and put two golf car batteries under the galley and sink, for a total of 4. I then succumbed to the lure of gel cells, and paralleled 4 group 27's as a house bank. Two were over the sump, and two were under the counter and sink. I had a fifth battery for starting. It was a group 24, mounted above the two that are above the sump. I learned my lessons regarding the gel cells the hard, expensive, way, and eventually retreated to the four golf car batteries, with which I have had great results, and much happiness. I toy with the idea of adding a fifth battery for starting, again above the two in the sump, but the system I have seems to work really well. Obviously, I use a smart regulator and an oversized alternator, and, depending on the situation, I either run the banks separately or parallel. I do have a large solar array, and I prefer to charge batteries that way. My final thoughts regarding batteries are that the biggest industry to use heavy duty batteries in a deep cycle mode for transportation is the golf car industry. They are in the business of efficiency and longevity, and you will see them use either six or eight volt batteries, ALWAYS. You will never see them use a gel cell, and I have never heard of them using an AGM, but I can't corroborate that. Trojan is one of the leading golf car battery manufacturers, and maybe it is a good idea to pay attention to the people who use these batteries because their incomes depend on them. Good luck.
 
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Clyde Lichtenwalner

Gels

My experience with gels does not parallel Tims. I have had one 4D and two group 27s on my H-34 since 1993 (the same three batteries). Granted, mine is not a live-aboard situation and the batteries are loacated in cooler, not easily accessable, parts of the boat, but they have been used under conditions that killed every flooded battery I ever bought just about the time their warranties expired. I have never used golf cart batteries, but hear good reports on them form many sources. My gels still charge rapidly using an automac manual alternator control on a 55 amp alternator . My electrical system is strictly KISS. No combiners, no smart regulators, no link system monitors, and no monthly maintenance in hot weather. Works for me.
 
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Ditto Clyde!

I too had been extremely pleased with Gels. Had my original ones in the boat for over 10 years. Two of them were in the engine compartment and one in the aft lazarette. When they went south (to visit Tim), I switched over to AGM's. They have a much lower initial cost ($120 ea) but only time will tell. If they do not last for 7-10 years I'll probably switch back to GEL's too. I have had the AGM's for about 15 months now, so this is no real test bed for their durability. Once we get out to the 5-6 year mark, I will consider them OK. I really do not consider the savings by using flooded batteries worth the hassel. I am sometimes away from my boat for 5-6 weeks or more during the winter and we leave the charger going 24x356. So maintenance becomes a problem. With the correct charger and good quality batteries, you just can put that part of your boat out of your mind.
 
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