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Jan 22, 2008
171
Hunter 260 Lake Carlyle, Illinois
This summer we're sailing on Lake Michigan; I want to be able to track barometric pressure - mainly to spot trends in pressure dropping or rising. I currently have a Garmin 541S chart plotter - I'm torn between:

a) purchasing a brass wall mounted barometer

or

b) purchase a Garmin wind speed / direction indicator that also senses barometric pressure and getting the wire down the mast - hook it up to a (to be installed) NMEA 2000 network to connect it to the Garmin.

The first choice is simple, direct and relatively low cost; the second is more elegant, more expensive but would provide additional wind information.

Have any of you used your chart plotter for such purposes?

Also - if you have a wall mounted barometer - how much did you pay for it. I've seen them from $150 to over $600 in West Marine catalogs.

Tom Grass
 

richk

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Jan 24, 2007
495
Marlow-Hunter 37 Deep Creek off the Magothy River off ChesBay
go cheap...

This summer we're sailing on Lake Michigan; I want to be able to track barometric pressure - mainly to spot trends in pressure dropping or rising. I currently have a Garmin 541S chart plotter - I'm torn between:

a) purchasing a brass wall mounted barometer

or

b) purchase a Garmin wind speed / direction indicator that also senses barometric pressure and getting the wire down the mast - hook it up to a (to be installed) NMEA 2000 network to connect it to the Garmin.

The first choice is simple, direct and relatively low cost; the second is more elegant, more expensive but would provide additional wind information.

Have any of you used your chart plotter for such purposes?

Also - if you have a wall mounted barometer - how much did you pay for it. I've seen them from $150 to over $600 in West Marine catalogs.

Tom Grass
Although the absolute pressure value is important, more important is the rate of change in pressure over time. As long as the barometer doesn't fail, a cheap one will tell you changes as well as an expensive one.
 
May 27, 2012
1,152
Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
I dont know about Michigan, but growing up in Duluth, by the time you noted a large change you often had a storm bearing down. Ive never lived anywhere that seemed so dynamic that way, nice one minute, absolutely terrible the next.

I guess what im trying to say is that cut off from civilization a barometer is better than nothing. But these days I would like to know what the weather is 500 miles out. If I only had a barometer, I dont think I would want to get too far from shore.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Barometers predict approaching frontal systems. On Lake Michigan, most/all frontal systems will be predicted by NOAA weather radio. This is your first line of defense, along with a weather eye. A barometer is nice, but as pointed out kind of superfluous on a lake-bound boat with other means to check weather. Again on Michigan, your biggest weather threat will be thunderstorms, and a barometer offers nothing there until it hits, and then you know you are in it.

We have them on both our boats, low-cost plastic ones from west marine. Less than 100 bucks, and that was with the clock as a set.

I'd forego the plotter setup unless you get it for free as part of a bigger install. Barometers should be simple, battery free and used as good backup. If you get one, you don't want it to require house power and a working NMEA 2k network to function. KISS principal.
 
Jan 22, 2008
171
Hunter 260 Lake Carlyle, Illinois
Thanks

Decision is made - going with a fairly nice wall mounted barometer. This is NOT our only weather forecasting tool - will be logged into Weather.com, NOAA Wx Radio on the VHS, other on-line weather advisories as well as various buoys situated out on the lake. (not to mention a continual observation of the sky - at least during the day). I appreciate everyone's input.

Tom Grass

Barometers predict approaching frontal systems. On Lake Michigan, most/all frontal systems will be predicted by NOAA weather radio. This is your first line of defense, along with a weather eye. A barometer is nice, but as pointed out kind of superfluous on a lake-bound boat with other means to check weather. Again on Michigan, your biggest weather threat will be thunderstorms, and a barometer offers nothing there until it hits, and then you know you are in it.

We have them on both our boats, low-cost plastic ones from west marine. Less than 100 bucks, and that was with the clock as a set.

I'd forego the plotter setup unless you get it for free as part of a bigger install. Barometers should be simple, battery free and used as good backup. If you get one, you don't want it to require house power and a working NMEA 2k network to function. KISS principal.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
The wall mount don't crap out due to electrical components either
Good choice
use your log book to record hourly pressure values. Once you get the habit you will never go back
 
Aug 11, 2011
1,015
O'day 30 313 Georgetown MD
I agree, the wall mounted unit works well. Otherwise there is also an app for that. I have a Noaa app on my I phone. Basic simple, but it works.
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,532
-na -NA Anywhere USA
I wonder if any of us would be comfortable sailing back 500 years ago without all the nav aids.

crazy dave condon
 

richk

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Jan 24, 2007
495
Marlow-Hunter 37 Deep Creek off the Magothy River off ChesBay
from http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/18/
CHANGES IN ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE

METEOROLOGIST JEFF HABY

One of the earliest forecasting tools was the use of atmospheric pressure. Soon, after the invention of the barometer, it was found that there were natural fluctuations in air pressure even if the barometer was kept at the same elevation. During times of stormy weather the barometric pressure would tend to be lower. During fair weather, the barometric pressure was higher. If the pressure began to lower, that was a sign of approaching inclement weather. If the pressure began to rise, that was a sign of tranquil weather. There is also a small diurnal variation in pressure caused by the atmospheric tides. The barometric pressure can lower by several processes, they are:

1. The approach of a low pressure trough

2. The deepening of a low pressure trough

3. A reduction of mass caused by upper level divergence (vorticity, jet streaks)

4. Moisture advection (moist air is less dense than dry air)

5. Warm air advection (warm air is less dense than cold air)

6. Rising air (such as near a frontal boundary or any process that causes rising air)

When the barometric pressure is lowering, it will be caused by 1, 2 or a combination of the 6 processes listed above. All the processes above deal either with decreasing the air density or causing the air to rise in order to lower the barometric pressure. When forecasting, try to figure out which physical processes in the atmosphere are causing the pressure to lower or rise over your forecast region. When looking at upper level charts, instead of looking for changes in barometric pressure you will be looking for height falls or height rises. Important: Barometric pressure is ONLY plotted on SURFACE CHARTS. Any upper level chart you examine will be taken on a constant pressure surface (e.g. 850, 700, 500, 300, 200). Because upper level charts use a constant pressure surface, height falls or height rises are used to determine if a trough/ridge is approaching and/or deepening. When heights fall it is due to a reduction in mass above the pressure level (i.e. if heights fall on an 850 mb chart, it is because the air is rising or low level cold air advection is occurring). On upper level charts you must consider what is happening above or below the pressure level of interest. If heights fall at 700 mb for example, it could be due to the fact that cold air advection is occurring in the PBL, therefore decreasing the overall height of the troposphere and decreasing the 700 mb height. Just to give you some complexity, barometric pressure can fall at the surface but heights can rise over the same region on upper level charts or vice versa. An example would be a large magnitude of warm air advection in the PBL. The warm air is less dense than the air it is replacing, therefore the surface pressure will fall. However, since warm air expands the height of the troposphere (because it is less dense and takes up more space) the heights aloft will rise. When I start throwing in vorticity, jet streaks, and topography this discussion will become even more complicated.

The more you learn about meteorology and forecasting the more you will realize the pure complexity of the atmosphere, the interaction of many physical processes at the same time and that learning about meteorology and forecasting lasts a lifetime. For the most part, you can interpret height falls and rises the same way as surface barometric rises or falls. Increment weather is associated with height falls and lowering barometric pressure and fair weather is associated with height rises and rising barometric pressure. Other tips:

1. Low pressure troughs tend to move toward the region of greatest height falls

2. Ridges build most strongly into regions with the greatest height rises
 
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