Barlow 16 winch

[Mitch]

I removed and cleaned all my winches this past winter except for the Barlow 16 on the mast used to raise my main sail. How does one remove the Barlow? The archives here, on other forums, and the Hutton-Arco site say there is either a retaining clip, a hex bolt, or a push button in the center of the socket. I have none of that. The center inside looks like a slot for a regular screwdriver. I tried a large screwdriver but I can't seem to turn it either way. Maybe an impact wrench? I try every weekend when I go down to the boat, but I am afraid I will end up stripping the slot. Is this a slot for a screwdriver? Anyone on here ever disassemble this type? Being mounted sideways there is no good way to spray penatrating oil inside it. The winch is bolted to a plate riveted to the mast. I may be able to remove the four nuts and remove the winch to get to the inside to spray penatrating oil. But once removed, if I still can't dissamble it for cleaning, grease, and new mounting bolts, then I will have to buy a new winch which means redrilling the plate cause I'm sure new winches will have a different bolting pattern.

The boat is a 1982 34' shoal draft O'day.

Many thanks to all

mitch

 

[RichBone]

Try this-
http://maximalt.dk/Manualer/Andet/barlow-barient winch.pdf

 

[Joe11688]

Mitch,
I just happened to run across a link from this Catalina site on how to assemble and disassemble Barlow Winches. You may find the answer here. http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=12149
Here's another site that may give you some info:
http://maximalt.dk/Manualer/Andet/barlow-barient winch.pdf

Joe

 

[Mitch]

Thanks RBone and Trinkka. I've read both of those before, but many thanks anyways. I think I will try it as being the plunger type next weekend. I'll take a socket the same diameter as the slotted head and tap on it. Maybe it is just stuck. I've printed the post from the Catalina site and I'll take it with me and enough junk to try and make a tool down on the boat. With all the posts about boats being expensive, I have never heard anyone say to include the cost of a Chevy Suburban in your boat expense account. You can only carry so much tools and junk in a Pontiac Vibe.

 

[Joe11688]

Hey Mitch,
Instead of using one of those impact screw drivers that you use a hammer with, try one of those impact cordless electric drills with a driver bit in the chuck. I was amazed at how easy my son's Makita impact cordless drill removed the two last stubborn Phillips machine bolts from my mast that held my S.S. hinged Tabernacle.

 

[Shoaldrafter]

Mitch, et al.,

Do not forget WD-40 and the newer catalyst type sovent lubricants. When using any and all let soak for a few days to allow time for sovents to penetrate.

Instead of impact wrenches, try mechanical advantage of attaching lever (such as vice grip with long extention to handle to apply torque to turning. Remember to keep pressure on driver so as not to strip inside screw.

Again, let sovent/lubricants soak for a time to allow them to work. In the vertical situation you may have soak a small rag to keep solvents inside at joint.

Ed K
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[Joe11688]

I tried what you just described Ed with no luck at all, and I was able to lay my mast down and apply my full weight to the screw driver while I was using the channel lock wrench to turn it. I had the same problem two years ago when I was trying to remove two stubborn Phillips head bolts that held the plates and wedges in place under my keel. I was using an impact driver and I worked for what seemed like hours on it until I finally got them to turn. The drill that my son let me use has a built in clutch that acts as an impact driver and that drill removed both of those screws in no time flat. Looking back now, I wish I'd have used his drill to remove those bolts under my keel. I could have saved myself a lot of time and energy. Of course, it goes without saying, the bolts should be sprayed first with some kind of penetrating oil and left to soak in for a while.