Back Stay tension

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sba55

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Oct 31, 2011
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Oday 23 Maitland
I just bought a 1983 23 foot O'day. The boat is in excellent condition and has been refurbished quite a bit. Every light works as well as the water pump, alcohol stove etc. original cushions with not a tear in them.

I am curious about a couple of things. First as there is no traveller it looks like all the tension from the boom being attached to the back stay would cause a lot of lateral stress under sail. is this the case?

Second, the previous owner put a Honda 9.9 4 stroke electric start on the boat. While I love horsepower this motor weighs 117 lbs and would seem to be overkill both power and weight wise.

Opinions and comments appreciated.
 
Nov 16, 2010
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Catalina 22 Mactaquac Headpond
The engine is a bit of overkill. I run a 6 hp on my C22 and have more than enough power. As to the traveller ...it is not a necessary thing for overall operation but I am curious...your boom should not be attached to the back stay. Are you mid boom sheeted or end boom sheeted... if end boom then you should be attached to a lug or chainplate on the stern. This plate could also have the backstay attached. Either way there is no problem with lateral tension. You could install a traveller similar to the C22 if you want one though.
 
May 31, 2004
858
Catalina 28 Branford
On the Oday 23 (and on the 22 and 25), the mainsheet does indeed attach to the back stay. That is the way it was designed. Not ideal for sure, but the chainplate was made to handle the loads. And I agree, a traveller would be a nice addition. A few years ago, I became determined to add one to my Oday 23 (same model as yours). I scoured the internet and the docks for ideas. I conferred with hardware reps at boat shows. I spoke with a sailmaker and a stainless fabricator. Here is what I decided: its not worth it. It is very difficult to find a solution that works; the most obvious choices are precluded by the tiller head and the location of the backstay. I seem to remember that someone posted a picture on this website of a traveller that they had made and installed on an Oday 23; I think it was some type of bar that spanned the tiller head. However, because of the location of the backstay, the traveller track had to be pretty short. I don't know how effective it was. I think I concluded that the only way to put in a real traveller was to mount it across the seats in the middle of the cockpit and to change to mid-boom sheeting, both ideas that I really disliked. And after discussing things with my sailmaker, I figured that lack of a traveller could be mostly compensated for with the addition of a good boom vang. So I added a Garhauer vang, and have never regretted my decision. Now, your individual calculation of costs/benefits/aggravation/sailing quality may differ from mine; what works for me might be abhorrent to you. And I agree with Mormandeus: the C22 traveller is a great design; however, I think it only works because it is designed and built into the C22 push pit, and the backstay is designed so it is out of the way. This solution does not easily lend itself to the Oday 23.

For your other issue, I think your 9.9 is bigger than necessary. I have an 8 hp (two stroke) on my Oday 23, and it has plenty of power. My guess is that the prior owner chose that engine because he wanted electric start and a long shaft model. Unfortunately, some manufacturers do not offer those features together on their smallest engines.; I wouldn't be surprised if that is the smallest engine from Honda that combines those feature. If the weight of the engine isn't otherwise causing a problem, then I wouldn't worry about it; consider it the price you pay to save your arm strength from all those pull starts. I know my Admiral considers the electric start to be a real safety feature; she wants to know that she can start the engine in an emergency if she has to.

Oh, and great boat selection! You are going to have a blast. Welcome to the club!
 

hman

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Sep 13, 2006
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Oday 23 Grass Valley, CA
I agree with HukilauMike, there really isn't any practical room for a traveler on a 23. I too added a good boom vang and have been pleased with it. As for motor, I use a 2.5 horse Honda 4 stroke on mine, it does fine for the lakes I sail on. It's really a matter of choice. I don't think the extra weight makes that much difference, a teenager aboard would do the same....although they move around a LOT more than your motor does....(I know, I've got 3 of em..teenagers that is..)

Welcome to the club! I love my 23, it's not the fastest boat on the lake but it's roomy and comfortable for the family out for the day or weekend....
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I just bought a 1983 23 foot O'day. The boat is in excellent condition and has been refurbished quite a bit. Every light works as well as the water pump, alcohol stove etc. original cushions with not a tear in them.

I am curious about a couple of things. First as there is no traveler it looks like all the tension from the boom being attached to the back stay would cause a lot of lateral stress under sail. is this the case?

Second, the previous owner put a Honda 9.9 4 stroke electric start on the boat. While I love horsepower this motor weighs 117 lbs and would seem to be overkill both power and weight wise.

Opinions and comments appreciated.
I don't think the 9.9 is too big for your O'Day 23 if you're sailing in a bay with currents. A friend of mine has a Tohatsu 9.8 four stroke on his Seaward 22 and it pushes that boat right along with very little effort and it's so quiet you can hardly hear it running. He prefers the electric start outboard.
As for the mainsheet on the backstay; my O'Day 222 came set up that way and I didn't like it at all. I went out and bought a Nico Fico traveler and I mounted it on a Teak 2x4 in front on my companionway. It's a pain to step over, but the mainsheet can be move out of the way in order to get my gear into the cabin, or to get the boom over to one side when I'm standing at the helm motoring. If I had it to do over again I would have sprung for a Garhaure or a Harken traveler with lines and sheaves instead of the Nico, which is OK.
Joe
 

sba55

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Oct 31, 2011
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Oday 23 Maitland
My boat has a nice Bimini top which really limits where I could put a traveler. I was thinking os making something similar to what Precision uses which is an arch mounted on the stern. I figured if I could get under the stern area to put in backing plates it would work. It's where the cleats are so it must be a decent place.
 

sba55

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Oct 31, 2011
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Oday 23 Maitland
You are correct. The boom is mounted to the same plate as the back stay but not on the back stay itself.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
My boat has a nice Bimini top which really limits where I could put a traveler. I was thinking os making something similar to what Precision uses which is an arch mounted on the stern. I figured if I could get under the stern area to put in backing plates it would work. It's where the cleats are so it must be a decent place.
One of the guys on the Trailer Sailer forum did that to his boat and it worked out great for him. Anything of that nature is doable. One of my friends installed an extra forestay on his Seaward 22. He added a bracket to his bow and another tang on his mast near the top. He has a CDI Roller Furler on his forestay and the extra forestay will prevent the mast from dropping back in the event that his furler should let go.
 
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