What is the proper way to attach the upper shroud to the spreader? Mine have several wraps of wire then run thru the spreader then back to the shroud and several wraps. It seems to me done this way it would not let the shroud 'float' enough. Thanks Ed
Attaching Shroud to spreader?
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the spreaders do NOT float, the position should be kept so that the angle the spreader makes with the stay is the same above and below the spreader. some spreaders have a clamp built into the end of the spreader, others use the wire. the angles keep pressure exual on the spreader. phy 101.
the spreaders do NOT float, the position should be kept so that the angle the spreader makes with the stay is the same above and below the spreader. some spreaders have a clamp built into the end of the spreader, others use the wire. the angles keep pressure exual on the spreader. phy 101.
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The shroud should be free to 'float' or slide thru the spreader. Being wraped like that I was concerned that they were not allowed to.
The shroud should be free to 'float' or slide thru the spreader. Being wraped like that I was concerned that they were not allowed to.
They don't wrap!
on the Oday 23, the shrouds run along the end piece of the spreader, and are held in place by a rubber boot. The boot is shaped like a "T", with the long end fitting over the end of the spreader, and the crosspiece of the boot fitting around the shroud. The boot is held around the shroud and onto the spreader with tape. You can buy rigging tape (very expensive), or just use electrician's tape. I have used electrician's tape (a lovely shade of black) for six years on my Oday 23 and have never had a problem. Replacement boots are outrageously expensive. If your shrouds have been wrapped around the spreader, it means they are probably ruined and must be replaced. In any case, if they were the right length when wrapped, unwrapped they will be too long. Call Rudy at D&R Marine (his website is listed in the Links section of this site) for a good deal on new standing rigging. Rudy put a new set together for me a few years ago and I was very pleased with the quality and service.
on the Oday 23, the shrouds run along the end piece of the spreader, and are held in place by a rubber boot. The boot is shaped like a "T", with the long end fitting over the end of the spreader, and the crosspiece of the boot fitting around the shroud. The boot is held around the shroud and onto the spreader with tape. You can buy rigging tape (very expensive), or just use electrician's tape. I have used electrician's tape (a lovely shade of black) for six years on my Oday 23 and have never had a problem. Replacement boots are outrageously expensive. If your shrouds have been wrapped around the spreader, it means they are probably ruined and must be replaced. In any case, if they were the right length when wrapped, unwrapped they will be too long. Call Rudy at D&R Marine (his website is listed in the Links section of this site) for a good deal on new standing rigging. Rudy put a new set together for me a few years ago and I was very pleased with the quality and service.
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Am I not explaining this well???????????? I said in my original post that I did not think the shrouds where free to float not the spreaders. I also said there was A wire wrapped around the shroud then run thru the spreader then wrapped around the shroud...........NOT that the shroud was wrapped around the spreader. Is there any one that knows what I am talking about?? I'd really like an answer that made sense. Not to be treated like some dumb sh#t that does not know phy 101. duh
Am I not explaining this well???????????? I said in my original post that I did not think the shrouds where free to float not the spreaders. I also said there was A wire wrapped around the shroud then run thru the spreader then wrapped around the shroud...........NOT that the shroud was wrapped around the spreader. Is there any one that knows what I am talking about?? I'd really like an answer that made sense. Not to be treated like some dumb sh#t that does not know phy 101. duh
Wire is used
Ed - The comments of all are correct depending on how you interpret your original post I replaced the shrouds on my boat (a 23) last year so I know what you are talking about. The wire you refer to is small diameter stainless steel. When installing the shroud it is attached at the top of the mast and to the boat at the chainplate. The shroud must be held away from the mast using the spreader. To assure this the end of the spreader is slotted - the stay lies in this slot. To keep the stay in the slot there are two "keepers". These are necessary to ensure that the stay does not fall out as the spreader when the mast is raised or the boat is heeled while sailing. The first method of making sure that the stay remains in place is the wire you mention. The wire passes through a hole near the end of the spreader and wraps around the shroud above and below the spreader. The wrapping is like a coil spring and is done "gently" enough so that the shroud is free to slide up and down - but tight enough to make sure that the stay cannot pop out of the slot in the spreader. The second part is to protect the sails from the end of the shrouds and the ends of the wire - this is usually done using tape or a rubber boot. The rubber boot comes in two halves. They are placed around the shroud spreader and taped in place. So in summary you should use the wire to ensure that the stay does not pop out of the slot in the end of the shroud. This is important when heeled over and the shrouds on the leeward side are loose. Will the rubber boots by themselves hold the stay in place - possibly but ....... my mast came down the first year I had the boat due to the failure of the attachment at the chainplate so I would not trust the rubber boot - Use the wire and sail safe! It is mentioned in the O'Day instructions for the 23 and I quote .... ....wrap wire around stay to hold in place , one end of wire wraps up the stay and the other end wraps down the stay" ..... Hope this helps James O'Day 23 Bognor Limey
Ed - The comments of all are correct depending on how you interpret your original post I replaced the shrouds on my boat (a 23) last year so I know what you are talking about. The wire you refer to is small diameter stainless steel. When installing the shroud it is attached at the top of the mast and to the boat at the chainplate. The shroud must be held away from the mast using the spreader. To assure this the end of the spreader is slotted - the stay lies in this slot. To keep the stay in the slot there are two "keepers". These are necessary to ensure that the stay does not fall out as the spreader when the mast is raised or the boat is heeled while sailing. The first method of making sure that the stay remains in place is the wire you mention. The wire passes through a hole near the end of the spreader and wraps around the shroud above and below the spreader. The wrapping is like a coil spring and is done "gently" enough so that the shroud is free to slide up and down - but tight enough to make sure that the stay cannot pop out of the slot in the spreader. The second part is to protect the sails from the end of the shrouds and the ends of the wire - this is usually done using tape or a rubber boot. The rubber boot comes in two halves. They are placed around the shroud spreader and taped in place. So in summary you should use the wire to ensure that the stay does not pop out of the slot in the end of the shroud. This is important when heeled over and the shrouds on the leeward side are loose. Will the rubber boots by themselves hold the stay in place - possibly but ....... my mast came down the first year I had the boat due to the failure of the attachment at the chainplate so I would not trust the rubber boot - Use the wire and sail safe! It is mentioned in the O'Day instructions for the 23 and I quote .... ....wrap wire around stay to hold in place , one end of wire wraps up the stay and the other end wraps down the stay" ..... Hope this helps James O'Day 23 Bognor Limey
If you don't use the boot
I would suggest that you tuck the ends of the wire back into the hole in the spreader--keep those sharp things tucked away.
I would suggest that you tuck the ends of the wire back into the hole in the spreader--keep those sharp things tucked away.
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did not mean to make you mad, just to point out the need to keep angles equal to keep pressure on the spreader equal, which if not done , will allow spreader to shift and change pressures on the shroud. the big boats have clamps under the boots and as i said other spreaders have a u bolt system in the end, under the boot/tape. any good book on rigging will help you to get it right
did not mean to make you mad, just to point out the need to keep angles equal to keep pressure on the spreader equal, which if not done , will allow spreader to shift and change pressures on the shroud. the big boats have clamps under the boots and as i said other spreaders have a u bolt system in the end, under the boot/tape. any good book on rigging will help you to get it right
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