Have you heard the story of a Turkish couple who bought H340 in Miami and after living in couples of weeks in marina over there, they sailed all the way to Turkey.Crossing Atlantic and Med.sea last year. They were retired and have only 3-4 weeks experience of sailing in Turkey(in that time they met H336 and loved the boat so much, that when they saw an ad in internet,decided to fly and buy that 2000 model of 340) I think its a good point for both, Hunter co. and the owners of Hunter boats.. I wonder if any Hunter boat of that size dit it before? Waiting for your opinions about their action..How we can name them? So brave or so lucky ,just didnt know about Atlantic and rough sea condition and had only luck to dit it?.. Thanks, Ersin
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Good question
Good seamanship is all about preparing for contingencies. Preparing for a blue water cruise like crossing the Atlantic (and the Mediterranean) means preparing these elements for the range of possible conditions: Captain and crew. Design of the boat. Rig and sails. Water holding capability and strength of the hull. All systems from ground tackle to lifeboat to electronics. Storage for food, fuel, water, and supplies. Most voyages generate few if any of the contingencies for which perparations should be made. But being ready minimizes risk, and is, in itself, an enjoyable activity. Length is not the only important criteria for hull design. Our Hunter 27 can be made blue capable, and more than one has made blue water crossings recounted in this forum. The 340 has a Capsize Screen of 2.1. This means that if it were rolled over by a breaking wave over 12 feet on the beam it would be slow to regain its feet. This has caused loss of life in a number of storms on record. But most cruises never encounter these conditions. So we would have to know much more about the preparations on all points, not just the boat design to know how much lucky this couple was. In the modern Hunter designs, most people say that those over 40 feet are reckoned blue water capable. Capsize screen numbers back this up, but it's usually true the the boat will survive more than the crew can handle! David Lady Lillie
Good seamanship is all about preparing for contingencies. Preparing for a blue water cruise like crossing the Atlantic (and the Mediterranean) means preparing these elements for the range of possible conditions: Captain and crew. Design of the boat. Rig and sails. Water holding capability and strength of the hull. All systems from ground tackle to lifeboat to electronics. Storage for food, fuel, water, and supplies. Most voyages generate few if any of the contingencies for which perparations should be made. But being ready minimizes risk, and is, in itself, an enjoyable activity. Length is not the only important criteria for hull design. Our Hunter 27 can be made blue capable, and more than one has made blue water crossings recounted in this forum. The 340 has a Capsize Screen of 2.1. This means that if it were rolled over by a breaking wave over 12 feet on the beam it would be slow to regain its feet. This has caused loss of life in a number of storms on record. But most cruises never encounter these conditions. So we would have to know much more about the preparations on all points, not just the boat design to know how much lucky this couple was. In the modern Hunter designs, most people say that those over 40 feet are reckoned blue water capable. Capsize screen numbers back this up, but it's usually true the the boat will survive more than the crew can handle! David Lady Lillie
Crossing Atlantic
People have crossed the Atlantic in smaller boats than this. See the recent article in the Cruising World, about the Sweedish fellow (over 70 years young), who cruised the Mediterranean and crossed the Atlantic to cruise the Carribean in a 21' sailing canoe!!! His Viking predecessors have done it before in very spartan boats...
People have crossed the Atlantic in smaller boats than this. See the recent article in the Cruising World, about the Sweedish fellow (over 70 years young), who cruised the Mediterranean and crossed the Atlantic to cruise the Carribean in a 21' sailing canoe!!! His Viking predecessors have done it before in very spartan boats...
Experience
Yes, when we experience bad things we have never before, we find ourselves wishing we did something before hand. Each time it adds to our own list of preperations for the next time. Wise ones ask a lot of questions to try to learn from others so we don't have to experience them ourselves (I am so glad I read from this list...I've learned so much). As for sailing in blue water, there are so many things that can go wrong although they usually don't, just like living on land too, but the outcome can be terrible on water if they do. Lets take a hugh storm that hits the coast. Some may die but most will just loose property. I would guess that 99% survive, I would predict that it would be a much lower percentage that survive a hugh storm in blue water even if they had all the right gear and the best sailboat made (notice I didn't say hurricane...we all know to avoid those). Now things like that don't happen often (unless you live in south Florida
) but if they do, you would rather it happen to you on land then water and you try to plan for the worst so your chances of survival are greater. This is all from a guy who doesn't think safty first. The following is a list of things I plan on purchasing before I make my first blue water trip...I'm sure the list is much bigger for people who are more safe inclined then I am and I may never need any of it, but I sure would hate to not have it if I did. Liferaft ERTP?? (I'm bad with names...the distress signal thing) watermaker charts wind generator SSB dingy another anchor (two is better then one) sea anchor drogue Replace all lines (use current ones as backups) bolt cutters fishing gear Jack line and harreness something to climb the mask if I have to (read about a guy who broke his haylard and couldn't get up the mask. Drifted for months before he was found). Summary: We are all lucky if we make it to our destination but even more lucky if we don't experience the dreaded "I wish" thought alone the way and usually the size of the boat doesn't have anything to do with that.
Yes, when we experience bad things we have never before, we find ourselves wishing we did something before hand. Each time it adds to our own list of preperations for the next time. Wise ones ask a lot of questions to try to learn from others so we don't have to experience them ourselves (I am so glad I read from this list...I've learned so much). As for sailing in blue water, there are so many things that can go wrong although they usually don't, just like living on land too, but the outcome can be terrible on water if they do. Lets take a hugh storm that hits the coast. Some may die but most will just loose property. I would guess that 99% survive, I would predict that it would be a much lower percentage that survive a hugh storm in blue water even if they had all the right gear and the best sailboat made (notice I didn't say hurricane...we all know to avoid those). Now things like that don't happen often (unless you live in south Florida
) but if they do, you would rather it happen to you on land then water and you try to plan for the worst so your chances of survival are greater. This is all from a guy who doesn't think safty first. The following is a list of things I plan on purchasing before I make my first blue water trip...I'm sure the list is much bigger for people who are more safe inclined then I am and I may never need any of it, but I sure would hate to not have it if I did. Liferaft ERTP?? (I'm bad with names...the distress signal thing) watermaker charts wind generator SSB dingy another anchor (two is better then one) sea anchor drogue Replace all lines (use current ones as backups) bolt cutters fishing gear Jack line and harreness something to climb the mask if I have to (read about a guy who broke his haylard and couldn't get up the mask. Drifted for months before he was found). Summary: We are all lucky if we make it to our destination but even more lucky if we don't experience the dreaded "I wish" thought alone the way and usually the size of the boat doesn't have anything to do with that. David and Franklin,you are right..
..But the interesting point of that sail is,they didn't add any thing to standart,shalow bulpkeel boat. No extra rigging,no third or fourth winch,no extra sail,even no liferaft,just a inflt.dingy and of course no other things on your lists,as far as I can see the pictures and read the story puplished in sailing magazine here in Turkey. As an owner of the same boat(H340)for 6 years,still need some more things to add for a better boat to sail around Mediterranean-but not Atlantic of course-(I know it very well,in the years when worked as chief engineer on merchant marine ships)
..But the interesting point of that sail is,they didn't add any thing to standart,shalow bulpkeel boat. No extra rigging,no third or fourth winch,no extra sail,even no liferaft,just a inflt.dingy and of course no other things on your lists,as far as I can see the pictures and read the story puplished in sailing magazine here in Turkey. As an owner of the same boat(H340)for 6 years,still need some more things to add for a better boat to sail around Mediterranean-but not Atlantic of course-(I know it very well,in the years when worked as chief engineer on merchant marine ships)
When did they leave?
Was just reading (http://www.cruisingworld.com/article.jsp?ID=32893&typeID=396&catID=0) and it seemed to say that crossing from Florida area to Europe is dangerous at certain times of the year. Says if you leave in march or april, your almost guarenteed to run into 2 gales only the way and they get real bad that time of year. If you leave in late May, you should make it by late June and you might see a gale near Europe but that's it. I sure would like to hear about their trip.
Was just reading (http://www.cruisingworld.com/article.jsp?ID=32893&typeID=396&catID=0) and it seemed to say that crossing from Florida area to Europe is dangerous at certain times of the year. Says if you leave in march or april, your almost guarenteed to run into 2 gales only the way and they get real bad that time of year. If you leave in late May, you should make it by late June and you might see a gale near Europe but that's it. I sure would like to hear about their trip.
They left on 10 of APRIL..
..from 7 Seas Marina/Daytona Beach.But on the way to Bermuda they realize that too much water comes from the shaft and decided to turn back after having back some 300 miles.Over there they stayed up to one month-most of it on land-Finally,start to sail again on 15.of May 04.And left Bermuda on 30 of May,having 25 days of sailing to Azore.. So weren't they lucky enough Franklin, having spent april in marina,without knowing your time table about the gales..?
..from 7 Seas Marina/Daytona Beach.But on the way to Bermuda they realize that too much water comes from the shaft and decided to turn back after having back some 300 miles.Over there they stayed up to one month-most of it on land-Finally,start to sail again on 15.of May 04.And left Bermuda on 30 of May,having 25 days of sailing to Azore.. So weren't they lucky enough Franklin, having spent april in marina,without knowing your time table about the gales..?
H34
This guy did it in his H34 a couple of years back. I remember reading it while researching the boat before I bought one... Try the link below to see if it has the thread.
This guy did it in his H34 a couple of years back. I remember reading it while researching the boat before I bought one... Try the link below to see if it has the thread.
Jared,you talk about different boats ..
This was Hunter 340,different than 34(build in 1996-2000 I think)They are very tender,17 mt.mast,5 mt.boom with huge main sail and 3.5 mt.wide with 14 glass(lexan)openings....
This was Hunter 340,different than 34(build in 1996-2000 I think)They are very tender,17 mt.mast,5 mt.boom with huge main sail and 3.5 mt.wide with 14 glass(lexan)openings....
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