Are these 2 Diesel problems related?

Jun 4, 2004
834
Hunter 340 Forked River, NJ
So we got off to a late start this year and the boat (2000 H340) has only been in the water for a week – clean hull, clean prop and shaft. We were motoring out to a favorite anchorage on a windless day when after about 20 minutes of running time at our usual cruising setting of 2,900 RPMs and about 6.5 knots I noticed that our usually reliable Yanmar 3GM30F started to briefly decelerate about 100-200 RPMs and then come back up. My wife was sitting in the stern seats behind me and commented that there was black smoke coming out of the exhaust. I turned to see puffs of black smoke, not a billowing cloud but definitely black smoke. I throttled back and decided to turn around to head back to the slip. If that was not bad enough, my wife soon called up from down below with the dreaded words “Honey, there is water all over the floor down here. She took the wheel and I went down to find water spilling out of the port side engine access panel. Looking at the top of the engine, I could see that the plastic fitting on the engine cooling water vented loop had broken off and lots of water was squirting all over the engine and compartment. I managed to stop the leak with many wrappings of electrical tape and we headed back in at a slower speed. Curiously, the black smoke disappeared after that and the exhaust was virtually invisible even when I brought the RPMs back up closer to 3,000 and in gear. The RPMs stayed constant under power and the engine temps also stayed constant and normal throughout as per my digital gauge. BTW, the exhaust mixing elbow, engine flange and coupling are only 12 months old and these Yanmar parts were installed by a certified Yanmar mechanic and performed well for 40 hours of engine run time last season. For 12 years I have never had any black smoke and my transom is always clean at the end of each season. Back at the slip, I was able to replace the entire vented loop assembly that shunts water from the heat exchanger to the exhaust mixing elbow. I could not get the engine to repeat the black smoke or wavering RPM problem in the slip although I did not run the engine under load. The following day I removed, replaced and checked both primary and secondary fuel filters and found no hint of water or sediment in the filter housings or in the pre-filtered fuel poured into a clear glass jar. While changing the filters, I noted that there was a good flow of fuel from the tank. The prop and shaft turn easily by hand from inside the boat. From what little I know about diesel mechanics, I cannot figure out how the vented loop problem could be related to the black smoke and wavering RPM problem or is something else going on. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas as to whether these symptoms are or are not related?
 
Nov 2, 2015
196
hunter 30 bat n.c.
I would say that with water spewing all oer your engine while running that some managed to get into your engine thus the black smoke. I would'nt let it worry me to much and you have fixed it and checked every thing. So take her out and repeat your running order and see what ya get
 
Mar 27, 2016
52
Corsair F-24 denver
Black smoke can be produced if the engine combustion temperatures are low. If enough water was spraying on your engine to cool it down, I'd say it's possible that the two things are related. It's a reach but diesels definitely spew black smoke when cold.
 
Sep 4, 2007
794
Hunter 33.5 Elbow, Saskatchwen, Can.
John
Black smoke usually means incomplete combustion. If water got into the air filter and reduced the amount of air getting to the engine for that power setting that may explain the black smoke. Just a thought.
Glad you were able to get back to the dock under your own power.
 
Jul 13, 2016
2
Tartan T-37 Newport News
I agree with kerryedwards. Engines need to be at operating temp to burn completely. The water running down the block was providing additional cooling. If the water was making it's way to the intake, I would expect a white smoke.
 
Sep 4, 2007
794
Hunter 33.5 Elbow, Saskatchwen, Can.
I think you would get white smoke if the water was going thru the engine but if the water was just clogging the air filter reducing the air fuel mixture then you would get black smoke.
 
Nov 2, 2015
196
hunter 30 bat n.c.
No Don it's diesel and water wasspraying all over. thus cooling engine down and like has been said they blowblack smoke in cool temps
 
Sep 4, 2007
794
Hunter 33.5 Elbow, Saskatchwen, Can.
So when that big dodge pick passes me on the highway and I can't see anything for black smoke it's because his engine is cold?
Just saying that it might not be from a cooler engine
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,341
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The cooling water was interrupted from mixing with the exhaust gases from the engine into the muffler. What you were seeing was black (actually sh*tty brown) smoke which is straight exhaust gas. Once you fixed the water issue with the tape, the problem went away. Has nothing to do with fuel, but now you have new filters, good for ya!

All the conjecturing is really weird to me.
 
Apr 22, 2011
974
Hunter 27 Pecan Grove, Oriental, NC
I don't understand how water injection in the exhaust can change the color of the exhaust gases.
 
Mar 27, 2016
52
Corsair F-24 denver
The big Dodge truck could have his IP turned up too high, his turbo may be lagging, or he may be blowing off his wastegate to reduce boost just to cover you in black smoke. Black smoke is unburned fuel.
 
Jan 4, 2010
1,037
Farr 30 San Francisco
Well either you had two weird but unrelated problems that occurred at the exact same time, or they are related. It seems balance of probabilities they are related. In diesel, black smoke = unburnt fuel. So in this case your revs dropped and the governor dumps more fuel into the engine to bring back the revs = black smoke.

As to cars my old TDI would smoke like crazy under wide open throttle specially after I put in go fast injectors
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,212
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
I am thinking Don has it.. water spray/steam taking up space that should be oxygen would slow the engine and turn the smoke black.. no water injection might toast the inside of the rubber hose and make black smoke too, but that should not affect RPM. Like Stu says, the water will knock out some particulate from the exhaust gas (see Rainbow Vacuum cleaner) and change the color somewhat.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,341
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I don't understand how water injection in the exhaust can change the color of the exhaust gases.
Good question.

It is not so much as changing the color of the exhaust but rather the entire operation of the muffler, to mix the exhaust gas and the warm HX output water, actually simply SUPPRESSES the color of the exhaust gas. No water = straight exhaust gas.

If your exhaust riser ever breaks (I hate that "don't ask me" phrase, so: mine actually did, I KNOW, it's sh*tty brown, BIG time!) you'll see. Straight out the muffler, whatcha think ya'd get with no water?

That's what he described happened to him.

It had nothing to do with fuel.

Deceleration? How many posts have we read, right here, about clogged mixing elbows on Yanmars. C'mon, same thing.

What else can anyone add?
 
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