Are 30 year old sails worth anything??

May 27, 2014
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C&C 30' MkII Glenville
I have 2 sets of 30+ year old sails off a Beneteau First 235 and a C&C 30' MkII. They have been stored in my dry cellar in bags. The issue is I replaced these sails due to their age. Really do not want to keep them any more. It would be nice to recycle them somehow. Was thinking of using one of them for an deck awning.
Thoughts??
 
Apr 25, 2024
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Fuji 32 Bellingham
I once made an outdoor projection screen for backyard movie night out of a retired main sail. Worked OKish. Got the idea from a guy I ran into at a port we stopped in at. There was what appeared to be a flotilla of West Wight Potters at the marina and I was impressed with how nicely the owners had made use of their minimal space. One skipper had a projector and had tied the boom out with the main up and was projecting on the sail.
 
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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Last year at the boat show I came across craftsman that was trading a handmade bag for the old sails you provide.
There are many websites on the web that produce and sell recrafted sail material.

Look local, you may have a shop nearby. Or perhaps it is a new hobby you might explore.
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
We have a local bag/duffle maker that accepts old sails. He recycles the material, and usually gives back a tote bag as "payment" and it will usually have part of your emblem/sail number on it if you ask politely.
We recycled two tired out dacron sails this way.
If you check around you may have someone in your area that does this. It's a real "win win" situation.
Just do not expect to get actual dollars for them. :)
Check this page for our local guy's use of "up cycled" material. About
 
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PaulK

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Dec 1, 2009
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Sabre 402 Southport, CT
We use old sails for raking leaves. You can drag three or four wagonloads behind a tractor without having to lift any into a wagon bed. To dump the load you attach a line to the tack instead the head so the sail inverts itself as you drive away.
A sun awning would work too, but fastening them down in a breeze might be a problem.
 

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Apr 29, 2022
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Jeanneau Tonic 23 Erie, PA
Tons of fun things can be made from them, just just bags. Boom tents, fender curtains, winch covers, wind scoops, hammocks, windbreaker jackets, etc.
Definitely find someone who can use them. If you are on Lake Erie, I'll take them.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
It always seems to me that they really are wrong for everything.

First, they are not flat. The seems would have to ripped before you could make a flat screen for projection that would not bag and flap. Same with awnings; they need to be flat or catenary cut, not with fullness.

The fabric is all wrong. It has poor UV resistance. The resonated stiffness makes for stiff finished projects; if resonated cloth was good for anything other than sails, they would make it.

Mostly, it's just free tarp material that isn't flat.

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All that said, I've donated a few sails to people that did something with them. Depending on condition, used sail vendors might be interested. I have done that too. Finally, it's smart to save a few yards for projects and repairs.
 
Jun 17, 2022
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Hunter 380 Comox BC
They make great bags. Or maybe a patio awning? List it for free on Facebook Marketplace, someone will take them away!
 

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Perhaps this company would take your sails. I actually own a jacket made by them. It is great. Very warm - in fact I don't wear it unless it is below 20 F. Since I now winter in Florida it has been quite a few years since I have worn it. Windward Jacket with Sail Number - Resails
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day 19 Littleton, NH
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How about a skin-on-frame tender?
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There are lots of how-to sites for skin-on-frame boat construction, and numerous ways of building, lashing, and fastening the frames together. Some are pretty straight forward, some can be quite involved.
Skin-on-Frame Cat Boat

Maybe save the top of the old sail for the new tender's sail.

-Will
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
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How about a skin-on-frame tender?
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There are lots of how-to sites for skin-on-frame boat construction, and numerous ways of building, lashing, and fastening the frames together. Some are pretty straight forward, some can be quite involved.
Skin-on-Frame Cat Boat

Maybe save the top of the old sail for the new tender's sail.

-Will
The fabric used for skin-on-frame must have some stretch and it is shrunk-to-tension after installation. Sail fabric would be all wrong.

It really is not right for anything but sails. For every suggested application so far, there is a better fabric. I'm not trying to be negative -- I've got old sails! I've used sail cloth for a few things, and every time, something else would have been better. The only good use I have found is reinforcing wheel chair seats; the firmness and no-stretch character works well. Probably some other furniture applications. But these uses don't use much yardage.

A riding sail could be a good application. I strongly recommend an over-the-boom delta style, based on testing. Very easy to make.
Blog post on riding sails with patterns.

I wrote a longer article for PS. Making a pattern is quite simple with some string and a tape measure. Non-stretch cloth is perfect. Because it is over the boom it is very strong and stable, and easy to set in a blow. Even though it adds some drag, because it eliminates yawing the net drag on the anchor is much reduced. It can be adjusted for best performance by raising/lowering the boom and spreading/narrowing the clews.

A larger version is also shown which can serve as a very stable awning when set wide, and as a riding sail within moments if a squal approaches, by bringing in the clews and snugging down. The two sides make it FAR more effective than any single panel riding sail. No need to take it down.

There is always covering firewood.
 
Apr 25, 2024
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Fuji 32 Bellingham
It really is not right for anything but sails. For every suggested application so far, there is a better fabric.
I don't think that is true. Used sails have the distinct advantage of being free and on-hand. Sometimes that makes it the ideal choice for a given application. Virtually every material choice is a trade-off between cost and performance.

The discussion is not about finding the application to which used sails are ideally suited from a material science perspective. It is about finding an application where the material can offer up some additional value. I would say every suggestion so far meets that goal.
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
I don't think that is true. Used sails have the distinct advantage of being free and on-hand. Sometimes that makes it the ideal choice for a given application. Virtually every material choice is a trade-off between cost and performance.

The discussion is not about finding the application to which used sails are ideally suited from a material science perspective. It is about finding an application where the material can offer up some additional value. I would say every suggestion so far meets that goal.
And I would argue that other than collecting leaves, free might not be a good deal, given the labor involved. Additionally, you can generally find a lots of free Sunbrella (old dodgers, covers, and bimins) that is better for most of these projects; better texture and longer lasting in the sun. I wouldn't want a sailcloth jacket or winch cover for free. Too stiff. And heavy canvas makes better bags. IMO (and you are absolutely free to disagree--fashion is like that) many sail cloth projects are more cute than functional. I have made things from sail cloth, and used Sunbrella is generally much better.

The takeaway for me, is to keep a stack of used Sunbrella on the shelf. It comes in handy all the time. Easy to sew, nice texture, 20-year life in the sun.

Think in terms of things that you WOULD make out of sail cloth. That is why I suggested a riding sail or awning; low stretch helps. Sling seats. Weather cloths could work; you would not normally chose sailcloth, but the low stretch should help. Lee cloths for berths. I've used it for splash cloths a few places, where the stiffness and waterproof nature helped. Maybe drain flaps on a transom washboard. Where would you prefer a very low-stretch, very stiff material, that is also very slippery (slippery is bad for some things, like the bottoms of bags or seat cushions)?
 
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Apr 25, 2024
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Fuji 32 Bellingham
And I would argue that other than collecting leaves, free might not be a good deal [...]
I think you're overlooking the fact that finding new uses for materials that would otherwise go to the landfill is, in itself, satisfying. The simple act of reuse delivers value to some people. For example, I would gladly spend the time to make a used sail into a reusable grocery bag. Is it the ideal material? Probably not. Is it worth my time? Well, if I gain satisfaction from it, then yes.

For sure, you can always make arguments against any given application.

No one should ever sail because power boats are faster and sailing is a waste of time. Or, is the wasting of time half the point?
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
I think you're overlooking the fact that finding new uses for materials that would otherwise go to the landfill is, in itself, satisfying. The simple act of reuse delivers value to some people. For example, I would gladly spend the time to make a used sail into a reusable grocery bag. Is it the ideal material? Probably not. Is it worth my time? Well, if I gain satisfaction from it, then yes.

For sure, you can always make arguments against any given application.

No one should ever sail because power boats are faster and sailing is a waste of time. Or, is the wasting of time half the point?
One of my arguments was that free used Sunbrella could be better for most projects. Some of the ideas sound like "if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail,." Because I have a sail, I need to make this work. I bet you could score better bags at the thrift store, which is excellent form of recycling. In fact, I get so many free reusable grocery bags and old canvas bags from my wife (they become tool bags--the oldest she bought on our honeymoon from the Eddie Bower store in Freeport--still going strong because it was the right material and very well made) I keep giving them away.

Yup, if it really floats your boat, go for it. I make lots of stuff from cast offs. I never buy fabric for non-appearance items. My sail cover, for example, was cut down from an older cover for a larger boat that converted to an integral cover. The prior cover was made from an old bimini and outlasted several sails; I would have kept it for the next sail, but the discarded cover was a little nicer, though it required some mods. Sunbrella was the right material.

Most often dodgers and bimins are discarded because the windows are shot. The canvas has decades left in it.
 
Jan 7, 2011
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Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I have made a few things out of old sails just so I could practice with my sewing machine…a wrench roll (I don’t know if that is what it is called….), a garbage “bag” that I use in my car, etc. I really want to take one of the uncut-up ones and see if I can make a sunshade over my back deck, but I haven’t tried that one yet.

If nothing else, see if you can donate them to one of the companies/individuals who recycle them into various totes, etc.

Greg
 
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Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day 19 Littleton, NH
I'm not trying to be negative -- I've got old sails
If you want to send one or two my way, I'll be happy to try out the old sailcloth on a skin-on-frame tender for my boat. I've been toying with the idea of attempting to build a small sailing skiff from completely free materials. Skin-on-frame construction would work really well for that. The lack of stretch just means you have to treat the material more like plywood, so design the shapes to not have too much compound and tortured bending. I'm sure I could make it work. Might even see if I can use old plastic bottles as fasteners.
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-Will
 
Mar 26, 2011
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^^ Interesting.

This reminds me of the folks that built bicycle frames from bamboo. The rest of the components, which are most of the bike, were conventional. For comparison, I still have my steel framed college bike (1978, 46 years old) in regular around-town use. I have replace a good many components, but the frame is probably good for 150 years, with paint every 20 years or so. At that point it would be easily recycled as steel. The bamboo bike, made from resins more than bamboo, would probably have been replace 4 times at least. The more durable material, almost certainly, had the lower environmental impact.

And what of the shaker chair, made of wood with traditional methods, that easily withstands 50 years of regular use. I have made furniture (and boat projects) from discarded wood and other materials many times, but I built using conventional joinery methods and finishes so that the life expectancy was no less than virgin material. I never compromised the quality of the build by using the wrong materials. I think that is false economy, both for the project and ALSO for the environment. Build stuff that lasts and then take care of it.

Yesterday I was working on the lathe making some boat parts. Recycled materials, but in all cases exactly what I would have purchased new. I carefully collect limited amounts reusable scrap, and keep it sorted, like a hardware store. A stainless or aluminum rod or plate is good stuff. like new.

I'm not a throw-away goods person either. I'm heading out to go ice climbing. My mid-layers and outer gear are all high-end, but they also came from thrift stores and careful shopping. Only the mountaineering boots and helmet were purchased new. The climbing gear was purchased new, of course; not much future in buying used there in many cases. But it has been service decades because it was first quality and was maintained.

Cheers.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day 19 Littleton, NH
And what of the shaker chair, made of wood with traditional methods, that easily withstands 50 years of regular use.
50 years? 150 years.

I'm not a throw-away goods person either.
Throw those old sails away now, or
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Throw them away 5 years from now.

But, you make all good points.

-Will
Edit: It should be noted that in all the sites about SoF boat construction that I've visited, I have not read anything about using old sail material for the skin. That is just my idea.