Has anyone given thought to building an arch for their 260 incorporating a traveller. I am sure with a little thought and several metres of stainless tube one could be made with a traveller on top. I guess some blocks could be included so that the main sheet leads to a jammer in the cockpit. More space in the cockpit and of course better sailing. Regards from the wild and windy West. (Seas to 50' today with squalls to 70 knots.)
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forget it
This has been proposed on several occassions and the answer is no. I thouroughly researched the idea. The cost to begin with is porhibitive. Attachment is very difficult to say the least. An arch would definitely be in the way of mast lowering. I would estimate the mast at the back when trailering would be higher and if going under trees, bridges, etc. you might damage it. Please guys, do not bring this issue up again for a trailerable Hunter 260 Crazy Dave Condon
This has been proposed on several occassions and the answer is no. I thouroughly researched the idea. The cost to begin with is porhibitive. Attachment is very difficult to say the least. An arch would definitely be in the way of mast lowering. I would estimate the mast at the back when trailering would be higher and if going under trees, bridges, etc. you might damage it. Please guys, do not bring this issue up again for a trailerable Hunter 260 Crazy Dave Condon
response to mark
Mark, I edited my response and if it was feasible, you would see it as an option. I did a good research and cannot recommend doing it. Crazy Dave
Mark, I edited my response and if it was feasible, you would see it as an option. I did a good research and cannot recommend doing it. Crazy Dave
Nuts
If someone figures it out I want one for my 23.5. I know it will never happen but it sure seems like a no brainer. Wonder if it was possible why Hunter does not have them on the 260 and 240. Not that I would doubt Dave (in fact I would doubt his answer from anyone else) but my dealer told me I could not have stern rail seats on mine, well with Crazy Daves help I do now. Keep dreaming man maybe you'll figure out a way to do it that the others had not. I saw an old San Juan (I think) that had sailed here from Houston with an arch built from 2X6 lumber it did not look that good but I guess it works.
If someone figures it out I want one for my 23.5. I know it will never happen but it sure seems like a no brainer. Wonder if it was possible why Hunter does not have them on the 260 and 240. Not that I would doubt Dave (in fact I would doubt his answer from anyone else) but my dealer told me I could not have stern rail seats on mine, well with Crazy Daves help I do now. Keep dreaming man maybe you'll figure out a way to do it that the others had not. I saw an old San Juan (I think) that had sailed here from Houston with an arch built from 2X6 lumber it did not look that good but I guess it works.
hmmm
It would be pretty cool to have a SS arch with traveler on an H260! One concern would be the lack of room that there would be between traveler and the boom. As it is, my bimini sits only a couple of inches from the boom. I don't think it would be a problem to have the mast rest on this arch for trailering, it would only have it sit about a foot higher than the mast crutch would. Just my 2 cents...
It would be pretty cool to have a SS arch with traveler on an H260! One concern would be the lack of room that there would be between traveler and the boom. As it is, my bimini sits only a couple of inches from the boom. I don't think it would be a problem to have the mast rest on this arch for trailering, it would only have it sit about a foot higher than the mast crutch would. Just my 2 cents...
Not so sure Dave
Just went out and did a few measurements. When the mast is lowered the height of the mast at the rear is much higher than the level of the boom thus the arch height would be less than the lowered mast. No problems for overhead when trailering. Must do some more sums and come back with an engineered design. Reads like there is a bunch of sailers out there who would like a traveller on their 260 and this may be the start of a positive approach to enable one to be fitted. All our other yachts have travelers and I am sure the 260 will sail conciderably flatter with one.
Just went out and did a few measurements. When the mast is lowered the height of the mast at the rear is much higher than the level of the boom thus the arch height would be less than the lowered mast. No problems for overhead when trailering. Must do some more sums and come back with an engineered design. Reads like there is a bunch of sailers out there who would like a traveller on their 260 and this may be the start of a positive approach to enable one to be fitted. All our other yachts have travelers and I am sure the 260 will sail conciderably flatter with one.
I'd Want One Also
Seems as though I remember somewhere out here in the flowing bits someone mentioned they were designing a arch for the 26/260. Can't remember where I saw it. I'd put one on my baby in a heartbeat. A couple of times I have actually taken the main sheet and hooked it to the side railings for the seats below the life lines to pull the boom over as though it was a traveler. Worked! Jim S/V Java
Seems as though I remember somewhere out here in the flowing bits someone mentioned they were designing a arch for the 26/260. Can't remember where I saw it. I'd put one on my baby in a heartbeat. A couple of times I have actually taken the main sheet and hooked it to the side railings for the seats below the life lines to pull the boom over as though it was a traveler. Worked! Jim S/V Java
issues involved
Yes, It could be done. Here is why it would cost so much. In order to have an Arch you could walk under and have enough room for a mainsheet block, you would have to raise the boom about 18". This would require a taller mast which may require beefing up the shroud plates. This would make an aready tender boat more tender unless a weighted swing keel were added to counter the higher leverage moment of the higher sail. The Hull of the boat is not strong enough to do this without considerable modifications. This is where Dave is coming from when he says it would be cost prohibitive. The arch, even a knockdown or retractible version for trailering, would be the cheep part. Jeff Peltier
Yes, It could be done. Here is why it would cost so much. In order to have an Arch you could walk under and have enough room for a mainsheet block, you would have to raise the boom about 18". This would require a taller mast which may require beefing up the shroud plates. This would make an aready tender boat more tender unless a weighted swing keel were added to counter the higher leverage moment of the higher sail. The Hull of the boat is not strong enough to do this without considerable modifications. This is where Dave is coming from when he says it would be cost prohibitive. The arch, even a knockdown or retractible version for trailering, would be the cheep part. Jeff Peltier
Hang on a minute
I'm 6'2" and the boom goes over my head with clearance so I can't see the need for having to raise the boom "18 inches". Anyway I'll keep rather positive about this and send through the photos when I manage the design.
I'm 6'2" and the boom goes over my head with clearance so I can't see the need for having to raise the boom "18 inches". Anyway I'll keep rather positive about this and send through the photos when I manage the design.
clearence
Mark, Your a couple inches taller than me. If you mast rake is set properly, you would just clear. A mainsheet block system would take about 12" the traveler 3", 1" to 2" for the arch, pretty close to 18" Jeff
Mark, Your a couple inches taller than me. If you mast rake is set properly, you would just clear. A mainsheet block system would take about 12" the traveler 3", 1" to 2" for the arch, pretty close to 18" Jeff
good responses
Mark; For many years, I have been the top trailerable dealer for Hunter Marine and have been close following the designs of the boats more so than anyone else. If it was feasible, structural and within a price range, then an arch would be on the boats. I did see a make shift on a 26 in my travels and not only did it not look good but the hull was not beefed up resulting in damage. Bear in mind that the primary purpose of this boat is a trailerable boat and an arch would simply be in the way. Take for example, the bimin has to be lowered with the legs being unscrewed so the mast when it comes down will not damage the bimini. Placement of an arch would interfer thus not allowing the mast to rest in the mast crutch. If you do put an arch on and decide to engineer a mast crutch on it, I will tell you the center of gravity will shift tremendously and when unpinning the mast, it will come and hit and hurt someone. This has happenned to me in the past. I have tried many things over the years and find that some things work while othere do not. There are many other reasons to substantiate what I am saying but I doubt you will overcome this one if we remain in the fact this is a designed trailerable sailboat. I can tell you that Hunter Marine likes to make money and if it was feasible, an arch would have been on the boat already. Good luck with you design and let us know if you do come up with one. My hangup
Mark; For many years, I have been the top trailerable dealer for Hunter Marine and have been close following the designs of the boats more so than anyone else. If it was feasible, structural and within a price range, then an arch would be on the boats. I did see a make shift on a 26 in my travels and not only did it not look good but the hull was not beefed up resulting in damage. Bear in mind that the primary purpose of this boat is a trailerable boat and an arch would simply be in the way. Take for example, the bimin has to be lowered with the legs being unscrewed so the mast when it comes down will not damage the bimini. Placement of an arch would interfer thus not allowing the mast to rest in the mast crutch. If you do put an arch on and decide to engineer a mast crutch on it, I will tell you the center of gravity will shift tremendously and when unpinning the mast, it will come and hit and hurt someone. This has happenned to me in the past. I have tried many things over the years and find that some things work while othere do not. There are many other reasons to substantiate what I am saying but I doubt you will overcome this one if we remain in the fact this is a designed trailerable sailboat. I can tell you that Hunter Marine likes to make money and if it was feasible, an arch would have been on the boat already. Good luck with you design and let us know if you do come up with one. My hangup
Something to think about
The answer may be in a slightly longer boom that tapers up instead of perpendicular to the mast, to maintain sail area. This would allow the clearence to put an arch toward the back of the boat. Major costs besides the arch would be different boom and new main sail. Dream about that for awhile. Jeff Peltier
The answer may be in a slightly longer boom that tapers up instead of perpendicular to the mast, to maintain sail area. This would allow the clearence to put an arch toward the back of the boat. Major costs besides the arch would be different boom and new main sail. Dream about that for awhile. Jeff Peltier
Dave, I'm Ready for a H356
Dave All we have to do is convince Joan and I'll trade up. Jim S/V Java
Dave All we have to do is convince Joan and I'll trade up. Jim S/V Java
oh really jim
That will be a tall order if you can talk Joan into that. I even am looking at a 2003 in my yard. Good Luck Jimbo. Ooops i mispeled. CrAzy Dave
That will be a tall order if you can talk Joan into that. I even am looking at a 2003 in my yard. Good Luck Jimbo. Ooops i mispeled. CrAzy Dave
Ah ha
The design I have come up with means that the main sheet block is located down in the cockpit. There is a single block up on the traveller. Takes up about, no exactly 3"3/4 inches plus thickness of traveller 1" 3/16th. So now I have to figure the arch attachment design. Seems the original stern seat attachment on the side of the hull will not do so the arch will be fixed to the top of the cockpit seat back. Lots of foam to pull out however on each side I need to glass in under a 3/8th X 2" wide X 7" long aluminium flat bar to facilitate threads. Keep tuned for updates!
The design I have come up with means that the main sheet block is located down in the cockpit. There is a single block up on the traveller. Takes up about, no exactly 3"3/4 inches plus thickness of traveller 1" 3/16th. So now I have to figure the arch attachment design. Seems the original stern seat attachment on the side of the hull will not do so the arch will be fixed to the top of the cockpit seat back. Lots of foam to pull out however on each side I need to glass in under a 3/8th X 2" wide X 7" long aluminium flat bar to facilitate threads. Keep tuned for updates!
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