Anyone with Experience and Advice on Sailing the San Francisco Bay Area

Sep 27, 2008
209
Hunter 41 Longport,NJ
Big decision may be coming up - a potential move from the east coast = can a cruising couple that has spent most of their time cruising the Chesapeake Bay, ICW , Pamlico Sound and Jersey Shore find happiness and be safe in their 2004 Hunter 41 in the San Francisco Bay area - bay and maybe some offshore cruising around there ?

What would the change be like or should we give up owning a boat ?
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Big decision may be coming up - a potential move from the east coast = can a cruising couple that has spent most of their time cruising the Chesapeake Bay, ICW , Pamlico Sound and Jersey Shore find happiness and be safe in their 2004 Hunter 41 in the San Francisco Bay area - bay and maybe some offshore cruising around there ?

What would the change be like or should we give up owning a boat ?
You'll probably hear from several veterans of SF Bay sailing, one of which I personally am not; but one thing you might do is to start reading the sailing publication Latitude 38 which originates from the Bay Area. See at link below.

http://www.latitude38.com/index.lasso
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,979
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
What would the change be like or should we give up owning a boat ?
You'd kick yourself if you sold your boat and then moved and was boatless in SF. Either keep the boat, or sell it and buy another one. Of course, only you know how much sailing is in your blood, but if it is, then you will NEED (not want, NEED) a boat in SF.

I moved from SF to Vancouver Island summer of 2016. I'd lived and sailed in SF since 1978. There's a tad of water up here. After spending one summer month of '16 here, I went back right way and sailed my boat up.

You have a nice boat. Bring it. You'll get to sail it for a change. (Sorry, couldn't help myself there...:)).

I'm the secretary of the C34IA, and know lots of folks, some who have come west to visit and sailed with me. I've sailed on friends' boats in Chicago, none on the Chesapeake, though. I grew up back east and learned to sail in MA.

The sailing is great, but some I've heard say there aren't enough "destinations." When you can actually sail almost all the time, having destinations (i.e., restaurants because it's too hot or buggy), they aren't required. The California Delta has tons of places. The ocean is wonderful.

Good luck happy decision making.
 
Oct 29, 2016
1,929
Hunter 41 DS Port Huron
I have never sailed in the bay area, but I couldn't imagine not having a boat in the wonderful part of the world.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,661
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
During the spring and summer we get the kind of wind everyday that many people hope for once a month. And if you run out of places to go (we haven't yet in 33 years), you can go out the Gate and turn left. Half Moon Bay is only a few miles away for a long weekend. Then plan on a week long Bluewater cruise to Monterey with stops in Santa Cruz and Moss Landing. Anchor right at the 13th hole of world famous Pebble Beach Golf Course.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,979
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Yes, both "inside" & "outside" sailing The Bay Area has LOTS to offer.

Where you choose to live will have a great impact on your choice of slips. And how much time it takes to get to start sailing.
 
Nov 26, 2012
1,654
C&C 40-2 Berkeley
Are you kidding? SF Bay is one of the best places in the world to be if you are a sailor. Great weather almost all year. It's a windy place in the summer and sunny and calmish in the fall and rainy and quite calm in the winter and back to sunny in the spring. There is a regatta somewhere almost every weekend and a billion places to go including 1200 miles of navigable waterways up the estuary. AND we have the Ugliest Dog Competition in Petaluma every year which you can sail to. Oh, and don't forget about the wineries and yes, you can get to Napa by sailboat.
 

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
I was raised on the Bay and I think it's one of the best sailing areas I've seen, if you don't mind sailing in cold water and fog. As the saying goes, "If you can sail the Bay, you can sail anywhere."
You can put up your sails in Sausalito in a light breeze and be in near gale force winds just a few minutes later as you sail past Hurricane Gulch, then it eases off again and the possibilities open up before you. You can sail east, south, northeast or out to sea under the Golden Gate, all within just a few minutes. There are even two rivers you can take your boat up quite a ways, for a cruise into fresh water and explore places like Frank's Tract, a housing development flooded in a state flood control project. On a clear day we could see the houses, streets, telephone poles and even the mail boxes of the houses below us.
Outside the Bay, choices are pretty limited compared to the east coast, but Point Reyes and Tomales Bay aren't far and can be reasonably secure and nice to visit. Way offshore are the Faralon Islands, a pretty inhospitable group of dangerous rocks where Great White sharks breed, so a quick swim might not be the best idea, but it's still a nice challenging day sail, out and back.
Certainly take your boat or sell her and buy another there. However, be prepared for the state to gouge you for taxes (sales tax is now very near 10%, I've read) and probably other fees, as California is by far the greediest state I've ever lived in.
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Having sailed in both the Chesapeake and the SF Bay, bring your boat or sell it and buy a new one. If you bring your boat she will jump with joy when you take her out on the SFbay...
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
You will not have the tasty bluefin crabs or soft shells found in the Chesapeake. And I found the Chesapeake a fun place to sail. But the SF Bay is it's own type of fun.
Then you can graduate, as Stu has, into God's Sailing Country up here in the Pacific Northwest.
 

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
into God's Sailing Country up here in the Pacific Northwest.
Is it the god of rain you are talking about? The area is certainly beautiful, but I just couldn't take the constant drizzle and rain, testified to by your pic..
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Capta
I'm glad you brought that to the attention of this forum. We do have rain.:yikes:.. It pretty much rains all the time.:frown: It is what keeps the population down...:biggrin:
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Then there are the rare days of beauty.
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
I've sailed extensively in both SF and the Chesapeake. Outside of the Sacramento/San Joachim delta, you won't have the sort of gunkholing people enjoy on the Chesapeake in SF. On the other hand, sailing is truly a year-around sport here. It's unheard of here to put your boat on the hard for the winter. Offshore options are more limited, although there are multiple overnight destinations from Monterey to the south to Drakes Bay to the north. Sailers here are fond of spouting the nonsense that "if you can sail here you can sail anywhere," and should be ignored. Many of them never poke their nose out the gate. What you really learn around here, especially in the summer, is how to shorten sail. Twenty-five knots is a normal summer breeze here, and you may find that Hunter 41 feeling a bit tender in these waters. The other thing SF bay will teach you is how to deal with huge crowds of boats. Like anywhere, there are pros and cons to sailing here. Currents here tend to be benign, especially as compared to the PNW, and the silty bottom of SF bay tends to be forgiving. Pay attention to your charts when you first get here; there's a lot of thin water that looks like it should handle a keelboat but won't.
 
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Jan 25, 2011
2,435
S2 11.0A Anacortes, WA
Is it the god of rain you are talking about? The area is certainly beautiful, but I just couldn't take the constant drizzle and rain, testified to by your pic..
It rains every friggin day in the PNW. You need three pair of long underwear and two suits of foulies resident on the boat/person. You need to learn navigation by radar/plotter/AIS..You need a minimum of 4 cans of reserve air for your air horn and you ned to be known by Seattle Traffic VTS. Very stressful place to sail...Spread the word!
 
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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
nonsense that "if you can sail here you can sail anywhere," and should be ignored.
Where else have you sailed where a 65' schooner, under full sail in 25 knots of wind, can be spun around 180 degrees so that every sail is back winded, by the currents under the GG bridge? Where else have you sailed daily where you must know every mark by it's sound, because when the fog rolls in, if you don't, you are lost? Where else have you sailed where you can experience less than 6 knots of winds to over 30 on the same day by only changing where you are in your sailing area, not because the weather has changed in the slightest? Where else can you sail into a tidal bore in the fog and never know it until your boat goes 'over the falls"? Where else have you sailed where many these extreme conditions can come on the same day and are pretty commonplace, rather than occasional to rare?
I have sailed a lot of the world, and in my opinion, the Bay is by far the most challenging and difficult harbor I've ever sailed in. Sure places like Torres Straits and the Strait of Messina can be pretty wild, but they do not have the variety of conditions and weather that make the Bay so challenging. Every time I'm in the sh*t, I thank my lucky stars I learned my trade on the Bay.
 
Oct 11, 2017
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Catalina Capri 22 259 Washington DC
If your Hunter 41 has a shoal draft keel I would rethink having that boat on the bay. The bay offers a wide range of sailing conditions as mention above. But there is also a lot of warm summer days just ten miles north or south of the gate.
Sailing in the estuary is some of the best sailing in the world, same for the Delta.
I don't think there is a better cove in the world than Stilwater Cove between I think I remember this correctly 16-18 the holes at Pebble Beach golf course.
Monterey Bay and Santa Cruz are a bit breezy and the seas get pretty big but great open ocean sailing but close to shore.

Here is how you can easily predict your day of sailing during the summer months June to end of Sept on the Bay... Take the temperature at the gate for that day subtract it from the air temp in the San Joaquin Valley due west say near city of Modesto at midday then divide it by 2, that will be the average wind speed 200 yards out from St Francis Yacht Club till 6:00 pm that day.
Oh since no one else mentioned this 6-8 foot tides and 0-4 knots of current at the gate, sometimes more on the Delta's but the South Bay from the Oakland Bay Bridge and south to San Jose it's like sailing in the desert and is very calm with regards to currents compared. to the Bay (Gate).
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Sailors here are fond of spouting the nonsense that "if you can sail here you can sail anywhere," and should be ignored. Many of them never poke their nose out the gate.
I think what they mean is that if you can sail most of a day in strong, usually cold winds; sail frequently in fogging conditions as well, then you're getting the kind of sailing experience that will serve you well generally. I would go along with that; it's not nonsense. However, SF Bay is not the open sea even if it might feel that way at times. The thing that best prepares one for sailing in the open sea is actually doing so. To that end, in my opinion, one is better served sailing in the Santa Barbara Channel of southern California; namely, among the northern California Channel Islands. People here also claim that if you can cruise or sail the northern islands you're prepared to cruise or sail anywhere in the world. But then, one might make the same claim about sailing in the Tasman Sea off southeastern Australia and Tasmania; or off the coast of New Zealand near Wellington, etc. I sailed for many years in Tampa Bay, another large east coast estuary, as well as in Sarasota Bay, Pine Island Sound, the nearshore waters of the Gulf of Mexico off SW Florida, and in the ICW to the extent one can actually sail in there. When we moved to Southern California we brought our boat and have since traded up for a larger one. Don't leave your boat behind unless you intend to get one out here; and soon!!! You can do it; just ease yourself into it.;)
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
@Mark Maulden & @Hello Below . You guys are so much better with the words.
Thank you for helping to clarify the challenging conditions up here where the waters are known as "The Graveyard of the Pacific".