We bought Sikkens Cetol Marine Natural Teak. It says to wait 24 hours between coats. Does one really have to wait that long? How about 12 hours? What will happen if you don't wait 24 hours? Anybody know for sure?
Anyone use Cetol?
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Many of my dock neighbors swear by it, but I swear AT it. it's ugly and hard to use and it doesn't last.
Many of my dock neighbors swear by it, but I swear AT it. it's ugly and hard to use and it doesn't last.
Geez Larry
Geez Larry tell us how you really feel. As far as lasting I think it holds up better and longer than any other one part hard finish. I think it's also easier to use than varnish and it lasts even longer than Epifanes and requires less coats. I will agree that it does not look as deep and wet as varnish but you trade off for not having to re-apply twice a year.. A couple of guys I know have recently tried Teaqua teak oil and I'm impressed so far..
Geez Larry tell us how you really feel. As far as lasting I think it holds up better and longer than any other one part hard finish. I think it's also easier to use than varnish and it lasts even longer than Epifanes and requires less coats. I will agree that it does not look as deep and wet as varnish but you trade off for not having to re-apply twice a year.. A couple of guys I know have recently tried Teaqua teak oil and I'm impressed so far..
WAIT!!!!
make sure it is dry. The rough it up with steel wool and apply another coat! MAKE SURE IS IS TOTALLY DRY FIRST!
make sure it is dry. The rough it up with steel wool and apply another coat! MAKE SURE IS IS TOTALLY DRY FIRST!
Watch out for steel wool on a boat
It sheds little strands of steel that rust and mark up the boat. VERY hard to get rid of the stains as they congregate in nooks and crannies. Bronze wool is a better alternative for use on the boat (steel is fine if the wood is removed and you are restoring indoors).
It sheds little strands of steel that rust and mark up the boat. VERY hard to get rid of the stains as they congregate in nooks and crannies. Bronze wool is a better alternative for use on the boat (steel is fine if the wood is removed and you are restoring indoors).
wife uses
the stuf on our wood. Prep the wood prior to application. My wife took the wood completely down and got off all that pealing varnish. Then she put on 3+ coats of cetol light. After a full year last season, still looks just-done. The main thing is the prep of the wood prior to putting cetol or anything on wood. We love the stuff....have used it for several years. But you will get many diffrent opinions, some like the wet look of varnish, however I hate the pealing that I see with varnish. Some like another product.....to each his own! Good Luck Greg
the stuf on our wood. Prep the wood prior to application. My wife took the wood completely down and got off all that pealing varnish. Then she put on 3+ coats of cetol light. After a full year last season, still looks just-done. The main thing is the prep of the wood prior to putting cetol or anything on wood. We love the stuff....have used it for several years. But you will get many diffrent opinions, some like the wet look of varnish, however I hate the pealing that I see with varnish. Some like another product.....to each his own! Good Luck Greg
Chris is right...
Use only BRONZE wool, never steel wool, on a boat. Hardware stores sell bronze wool, and it's available in several degrees of "grit" like sandpaper. You'll get a much smoother finish if you use fine or extra fine between coats.
Use only BRONZE wool, never steel wool, on a boat. Hardware stores sell bronze wool, and it's available in several degrees of "grit" like sandpaper. You'll get a much smoother finish if you use fine or extra fine between coats.
Tack Rag!!!
Anytime you use bronze wool you MUST use a tack rag for fine particulate cleanup. You can buy tack rags everywhere. If you do not use a tack rag for cleanup before varnishing or cetol application after using bronze wool a close look will show the imbedded dust. Bob 30 Catalina
Anytime you use bronze wool you MUST use a tack rag for fine particulate cleanup. You can buy tack rags everywhere. If you do not use a tack rag for cleanup before varnishing or cetol application after using bronze wool a close look will show the imbedded dust. Bob 30 Catalina
RTFQ.....
The question here is how long to WAIT between coats of Cetol, not how to apply it, how to prep the wood, or what did you have for lunch. And the answer is: until the last coat is dry. This depends on the temp/humidity of the day you apply the first coat. While the Cetol people seem to think you should not apply their product in direct sun, how practical is that for a boat at the dock? I typically put on a coat of Cetol (which I love) and then do some other chores. If its a warm dry day, the Cetol dries in a few hours and I put on another coat, with bronze wool, steel wool, sheep's wool, or anything else in between. Whateve works, works, Give it a try. And, you are really allowed to removed those tags from your pillows and have no fear that the "Pillow Tag Removal Police" will come you your home and arrest you....
The question here is how long to WAIT between coats of Cetol, not how to apply it, how to prep the wood, or what did you have for lunch. And the answer is: until the last coat is dry. This depends on the temp/humidity of the day you apply the first coat. While the Cetol people seem to think you should not apply their product in direct sun, how practical is that for a boat at the dock? I typically put on a coat of Cetol (which I love) and then do some other chores. If its a warm dry day, the Cetol dries in a few hours and I put on another coat, with bronze wool, steel wool, sheep's wool, or anything else in between. Whateve works, works, Give it a try. And, you are really allowed to removed those tags from your pillows and have no fear that the "Pillow Tag Removal Police" will come you your home and arrest you....
2 coats in one day
Me too - I have done a coat in the AM and then a second late in the day. It’s been 5 years since I did all my exterior wood - I also wet-store my boat and do not cover it and it still looks good! I put about 4 coats on when I did it and have not touched it since....not even a maintenance coat. It does not look as good as varnish does but you can’t beat the ease of applying and the durability! PS - I also ripped off all the tags on my mattresses
Me too - I have done a coat in the AM and then a second late in the day. It’s been 5 years since I did all my exterior wood - I also wet-store my boat and do not cover it and it still looks good! I put about 4 coats on when I did it and have not touched it since....not even a maintenance coat. It does not look as good as varnish does but you can’t beat the ease of applying and the durability! PS - I also ripped off all the tags on my mattresses
prep & moisture content
I very seldom hear anyone say that Cetol does not last longer than other finishes. Be sure to check out their instructions. The moisture content is suppose to be under 18%. The wood needs to be clean (and dry). Apply each coat after 24 hrs. I would think if the wood is within the moisture content and the air is dry you could probably get by with less wiat time between coats. They also recommend that if you wait more than 3 weeks (or something like this) you need to roughen up the surface before applying more finish. They also do NOT recommend foam brushes for the application. I also think that the clear or light looks better but that is just a preference.
I very seldom hear anyone say that Cetol does not last longer than other finishes. Be sure to check out their instructions. The moisture content is suppose to be under 18%. The wood needs to be clean (and dry). Apply each coat after 24 hrs. I would think if the wood is within the moisture content and the air is dry you could probably get by with less wiat time between coats. They also recommend that if you wait more than 3 weeks (or something like this) you need to roughen up the surface before applying more finish. They also do NOT recommend foam brushes for the application. I also think that the clear or light looks better but that is just a preference.
The new...
Natural Teak you are using looks better than the old Cetol color. You can put another coat on in 12 hours IF you have had hot/dry weather...otherwise wait. No roughing up required at this stage. HINT...put on 2 coats of Cetol gloss after your second coat of natural. We just advised a neighbor to do the same on his toe rail which now looks at least as good as his epiphanes done hand rails. I wouldn't say that about my rail which looks good...but is the old Cetol topped with gloss...but the new natural REALLY does have a close to varnish look if you top it off with gloss. Another beneit is you ONLY have to rough up the gloss and touch it up with more gloss over time to keep it looking good and NOT add additional layers of color.
Natural Teak you are using looks better than the old Cetol color. You can put another coat on in 12 hours IF you have had hot/dry weather...otherwise wait. No roughing up required at this stage. HINT...put on 2 coats of Cetol gloss after your second coat of natural. We just advised a neighbor to do the same on his toe rail which now looks at least as good as his epiphanes done hand rails. I wouldn't say that about my rail which looks good...but is the old Cetol topped with gloss...but the new natural REALLY does have a close to varnish look if you top it off with gloss. Another beneit is you ONLY have to rough up the gloss and touch it up with more gloss over time to keep it looking good and NOT add additional layers of color.
Cetol
Follow the directions. Cetol is the toughest finish on the market...it will last three years at least. So you can have a good looking boat redoing the teak every three years or have a real good looking boat by oiling it every four to six months. Personally, I'd rather be sailing than oiling.
Follow the directions. Cetol is the toughest finish on the market...it will last three years at least. So you can have a good looking boat redoing the teak every three years or have a real good looking boat by oiling it every four to six months. Personally, I'd rather be sailing than oiling.
I'm using Cetol Natural Teak right now
I'm using the new Natural teak right now. In my opinion it looks like, well um, natural oiled teak, only with more gloss. I have used the old original on a previous boat. The new natural does not have the tint quality of the original marine finish. I have used the Cetol gloss overcoat, and it looks spectacular. I'm not sure I'll have time to do it this time around, although the natural teak finish appears to me to be a little more glossier than the orignial Cetol Marine. As far as drying time, it depends on the atmospheric conditions. What you have to be careful of is varnishing in the evening. If it gets dew on it, before it's fully dried, the finish will turn all milky, and you'll have to sand it off. Up in my lattitude, Cetol is a very durable finish!
I'm using the new Natural teak right now. In my opinion it looks like, well um, natural oiled teak, only with more gloss. I have used the old original on a previous boat. The new natural does not have the tint quality of the original marine finish. I have used the Cetol gloss overcoat, and it looks spectacular. I'm not sure I'll have time to do it this time around, although the natural teak finish appears to me to be a little more glossier than the orignial Cetol Marine. As far as drying time, it depends on the atmospheric conditions. What you have to be careful of is varnishing in the evening. If it gets dew on it, before it's fully dried, the finish will turn all milky, and you'll have to sand it off. Up in my lattitude, Cetol is a very durable finish!
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