Any suggestions on anchoring when sailing solo??

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Mar 20, 2008
40
Oday 22 Kokanee Landing
I solo sail an Oday 22 on a freshwater lake and find anchoring tricky; usually I go of the stern then transfer the line to the bow, but it's clumsy.

Can anyone suggest a neater method ?:confused:
 
May 25, 2004
99
Catalina 27 Carlyle Lake
Sailed a OD22 for several years. While still in deep water, I'd take the rode and anchor to the foredeck, lash there if necessary. Sail or motor up to dead stop over where you want the anchor to be (NOT where you want the boat to be). go forward, toss over, pay out 2x scope as wind pushes boat. Cleat. Go to cockpit, run motor full in reverse for 10 seconds or so. Stop motor, go forward an pay out rode to 5x scope.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,987
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
"Toss over"

is pretty incorrect, 'cuz it will result in the anchor not engaging. Not good.

If you're concerned about windy conditions when you're alone, that's different than figuring out how to do it to begin with, and your post didn't say.

One must assume that you understand the basic techniques of anchoring and are asking about heavier conditions. If you need to learn how to anchor for starters, then try the West Marine Advisors on anchoring techniques: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...visor/10001/-1/10001/Anchoring-Techniques.htm

I recommend you do two things:

1. Practice anchoring. Really, over and over again. Make a day dedicated to doing this. It's like docking, if you only do it once a day at the end of a day sailing you'll never get good at it.

2. Once you have practiced it'll become pretty apparent what you'll need to do on YOUR boat to make it work for YOU. Things like: have the anchor rode ready to go at the bow but run the line back to the cockpit so you can let it go from there; learning how your boat falls off in a breeze to know when to let the anchor slowly down -- most people don't realize that having a bit of a breeze actually HELPS to anchor; all sorts of details but only you know how your boat is rigged; doing everything from the bow will eventually become second nature to you.

All those practice sessions will begin to answer your questions. Oh, yeah, read some books, too, in addition to the advisor link.
 
Mar 20, 2008
40
Oday 22 Kokanee Landing
I have read the books , had classes - even checked sources such as West Marine ( usefull ) and done it and practiced a lot - I live beside my marina so can get out four or five times a week. So I can anchor and it goes OK on calmer days. But in rougher conditions, it can be sticky coordinating the outboard and dropping the hook.
I just wondered if anyone had figured out a slick system. I had thought of trying two anchors; going of the stern initially then setting one at the bow but haven't tried anything yet,
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,987
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
OK, now we can understand your question

Rougher conditions: get to know how your boat "coasts", and stop worrying about "coordinating" the engine and the boat. The concept is for you to get to the bow just before the boat stops and just as the bow is starting to fall off, which is when you want to begin to lower your anchor. Your engine should be in neutral when you leave the cockpit. Let the wind do the work and blow the bow off as you lower the anchor, feel it hit the bottom, let it go to about a 3 or 4:1 ratio, snub it a bit, to assure it is beginning to set and not skipping across the bottom and then let the remainder of the 7:1 rode out. If it's super windy, avoid the first snub at 3:1 and let more out. Once the 7:1 or more is let out and you feel you're "in" only then go back and set the anchor by putting the engine in reverse and setting the anchor. I recommend you read this about anchoring from a topic just last week: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=661698

We had a C22, a C25 and now a C34 and these techniques have worked for us for 25 years.

Oh, dare I say it again: Practice.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
The easiest way is to have the anchor fed through the bow chocks and then lead around the outside of the stanchions to the cockpit, with at least 40' or so of rode in the cockpit. Lower the anchor and let out the rode from the cockpit, and then let the wind turn the boat bow to wind and then back down on the rode to set the anchor.

If you really want to deploy the anchor from the bow and not have to go forward, you will need a pivoting bow roller that allows the anchor to "self-launch", and then bring the rode back to the cockpit so you can release it from there.
 
Aug 11, 2006
1,446
Hunter H260 Traverse City
Small boat anchoring can be difficult unless you have a routine that you practice and follow.

I've tried hauling the anchor back to the cockpit and dropping it there, but never liked hauling a heavy anchor along the deck. Also, if you don't get a good set the first time you've make the resetting process more difficult.

I release the anchor and let it hang just over the bow and then bring the bitter end of the rode back through a cam cleat, around a winch, and tie off the bitter end. That holds the line and anchor in position while I motor over to the drop point. Then I release the rode from the cam cleat, and back down on the Anchor. Wrapping the line around the winch a couple of times allows me to control the lowering/setting process with one hand while steering and operating the engine with the other.

I like this procedure because if you don't get a good set the first time, it is easy to bring the anchor back up to the bow from the cockput while you take another run at it.

Later after I'm sure I'm not dragging, I bring the rode back up to the bow and tie it off.

I agree practice of any anchoring method is essential and will pay off especially in dark or windy conditions.
 
Mar 20, 2008
40
Oday 22 Kokanee Landing
Thanx for the advice -I like your idea ,George , I'll be out to-morrow and give it a try.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
is pretty incorrect, 'cuz it will result in the anchor not engaging. Not good.

If you're concerned about windy conditions when you're alone, that's different than figuring out how to do it to begin with, and your post didn't say.

One must assume that you understand the basic techniques of anchoring and are asking about heavier conditions. If you need to learn how to anchor for starters, then try the West Marine Advisors on anchoring techniques: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...visor/10001/-1/10001/Anchoring-Techniques.htm

I recommend you do two things:

1. Practice anchoring. Really, over and over again. Make a day dedicated to doing this. It's like docking, if you only do it once a day at the end of a day sailing you'll never get good at it.

2. Once you have practiced it'll become pretty apparent what you'll need to do on YOUR boat to make it work for YOU. Things like: have the anchor rode ready to go at the bow but run the line back to the cockpit so you can let it go from there; learning how your boat falls off in a breeze to know when to let the anchor slowly down -- most people don't realize that having a bit of a breeze actually HELPS to anchor; all sorts of details but only you know how your boat is rigged; doing everything from the bow will eventually become second nature to you.

All those practice sessions will begin to answer your questions. Oh, yeah, read some books, too, in addition to the advisor link.
Stu, I think what he was refering to, was to drop the anchor and let the wind blow the boat back, pay out the line, cleat and then back down the anchor.

It all depends on the wind conditions when you are dropping anchor. In calm conditions, I will overshoot the anchor drop point, stop, reverse the engine and put in neutral. Go forward, drop the anchor and pay out the line with the reverse momentum of the boat. When I have enough scope or close to enough, cleat the rode and go back and use the engine to set the anchor, then adjust the scope to suit.
If it's windy, I'll motor to the drop point, put in neutral, go forward, drop and pay out the line etc. as the wind blows the boat back then cleat and set.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,987
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Perfectly explained, Scott. "Toss it over" was what I was concerned with, maybe taken too literally.

One thing to add: KEEP it SIMPLE. Anything that adds steps or makes ya move something later is simply not as good as what Scott has clearly explained. That's because it's more work, which is NOT good on a boat.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
Agred Stu, keep it simple. I was taking all his steps into consideration.... he was using the wind to back the boat.

go forward, toss over, pay out 2x scope as wind pushes boat.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
We all have our techniques. I use Stu's. Pull up near your spot and as the glides to a stop you have plenty of time to go forward to drop your anchor over. I have the proper rode out before I get to the anchorage so all i have to do is pay it out as the boat slides back.
 
Oct 3, 2008
325
Beneteau 393 Chesapeake Bay
The only thing I'd like to add to the discussion is about scope. 7x is when you expect only moderate wind. If heavier conditions are expected (e.g., thunderstorm overnight), go longer, up to 10x if room allows. Also, most people know this, but some don't: the ratio is based upon distance from the bow roller to the seabed, not just the water depth.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I'd point out that going from 8:1 to 10:1 scope has no practical effect... anything over 8:1 is just really wasting space in an anchorage.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Here's a quick run down on anchoring technique. Even with extra crew on board I anchor & moor solo about 85-90% of the time.

Scope:
This is perhaps the single most important and over looked aspect of setting your ground tackle. Scope is the angle of attack, if you will, of the rode or anchor line in relation to the bottom. The longer the scope the more parallel to the bottom the rode will be and the less likely to yank the anchor out from a more vertical pull. A short or steep scope angle will most certainly yank the anchor out of the bottom and will not hold well when the wind picks up.

How do I know what my scope should be? Scope is easily calculated, but often calculated incorrectly. Scope is simply the max water depth, plus the distance of your bow chock to the water, plus any off set for your depth transducer. Huh? Ok, you pull into an anchorage at low tide and it has a current water depth of 10 feet. The area you are in has a ten-foot tidal range (Maine). So your max water depth will be 20 feet. You know your bow chock is 4 feet off the water and your depth transducer is 1 foot bellow the surface and not calibrated as such. So you simply add 20 feet of water depth, to 4 feet of bow height, to 1 foot of transducer depth for a total of 25 feet of scope basis.

To set your anchor you should be using a minimum of 5:1 scope but the preferred setting scope remains 7:1. So the 10 feet of water you read on your depth sounder was actually 11 because your transducer is a foot bellow the waters surface and when the tide is added to the bow height your 10 feet of water depth turned into 25.

So let’s pretend you think you set your anchor at a 5:1 scope, based on the 10 feet of water depth you saw on your depth gauge. Don't feel bad as many sailors and boaters do this. A 5:1 scope for 10 feet is simple it’s 5 X 10 = 50 feet of scope. Oh, oh the tide comes in and you have mis-calculated your scope! For the example from above you ACTUALLY have 25 feet from the bottom of the ocean to your bow not the ten feet you mistakenly calculated.

For this same 5:1 scope you would need 125 feet of rode not 50 feet. 50 feet of rode for a 25 foot scope basis is a VERY dangerous 2:1 scope or almost vertical at high tide. You are nowhere near a 5:1. Again, this is a VERY common mistake. Please calculate scope carefully and always add the bow height and max tide.

Rode: This is the second most overlooked aspect of anchoring. At a minimum you'll want to be using 1.5 times the boat length of chain then a suitably sized, & highly elastic in nature, nylon rode. An absolute bare minimum chain length is one times the boat length despite what some anchor manufacturers recommend. Chain also prevents abrasion of the rode on underwater coral or rocks. An all chain rode is always better but you will need to use a very elastic snubber to prevent shock loading of the chain and on a 22 footer all chain is not necessary.

Why is the chain important? The chain serves a few purposes: 1) It serves as a weight to help prevent the anchor line from snapping tight. It keeps a curve or caternary in it during mild to moderate winds helping to keep the angle of attack on the anchor correct. In high winds a sentinel or kellet may be needed to maintain caternary but even kellets stop working as the wind rises. 2) It prevents the nylon anchor line or rode from chafing on coral or rocks on the bottom. 3) It aids the anchor in proper setting by keeping the shank down so the flukes/fluke can penetrate when backing down.

Anchors: All anchors are not created equal and there is far too much to be written on this here. Some anchors do not re-set well on a wind and tide shift and thus should not be used when a wind or tide shift is expected. Some anchors perform better than others do for certain bottom types and it should be up to the boat owner to thoroughly research which anchor will perform best for his or her environment.

In a general summary Danforth types which include the Fortress do not like to re-set on wind and tide reliably, Bruce or Claw styles are generally good setters and re-setters but offer low holding and should be up sized at least one or two sizes beyond the recommended size. World cruisers, and authors, Beth Leonard and Evans Starzinger use a claw that is a full five sizes bigger than the manufacturers recomendation. CQR’s or plow styles can give false sets and must always be properly set and checked for set. The new generation anchors such as Spade, Rocna & Manson Supreme & Bullwega are generally excellent performers, and practically set them selves, but they are not the be all end all's, there is no perfect anchor, and should also always be set and checked for set...

When I mention partially set CQR's this photo is exactly what I'm referring to. This pictured CQR is NOT SET.

Photo From Sail Magazine Anchor Test Report:


Technique:

#1) Examine the anchorage: Make careful observations & based on weather predictions chose a spot that will be better protected from the prevailing winds. Also take note of how others are anchored and envision a 7:1 scope to mentally picture where their anchor might be on the bottom. DO NOT drop on top of someones anchor.

If everyone is bow and stern anchored you need to do the same or there will be “swinging” issues! If everyone is bow anchored only please, please, please do not bow and stern anchor. All boats must swing naturally, and in unison. If one boat is bow and stern anchored it will not swing with the crowd and there will be fiberglass on fiberglass contact. Anchoring contradictory to the crowd already there is always rude and inconsiderate. Boats on permanent moorings are generally on a 2:1 scope and will swing around their bows, but will move very little compared to a boat on a 7:1 anchor scope so be careful and stay far enough away from anchoring near permanently moored boats.

In light air, boats with an all chain rode will not swing as far, or as fast, as those using a nylon/chain rode so take note of who has all chain to the deck. Choose your spot and visualize your boat swinging in unison with the others in a 360 pattern. If your spot has you hitting other boats during this 360 visualization exercise find a new one..

#2) Prepare & set: Once you’ve determined your “spot” calculate your scope as described above. For the best results use 7:1 for setting. 5:1 is an absolute bare minimum for setting and should be avoided if you want consistent results. As you approach your “spot” shorten the dinghy painter so it will not foul the prop when backing down. Slide the gear shifter into neutral and gently glide past, and over, where you actually want the anchor to set. Once beyond your “spot” slip it into reverse and get the boat going in a straight line backwards but SLOWLY at perhaps .3 to .5 knots. Lock the wheel or tiller to keep her as straight as possible and walk carefully & slowly to the bow.

#3 Play out the rode:
As you begin to move backwards begin playing out the rode. Do not just drop a pile of chain or rode to the bottom, it will tangle the flukes. The rode must be played out while moving backwards, gently and methodically. As you begin to get to about a 4:1 (your rode should be marked in feet or meters) gently snub the anchor for a test bite. This will orient the anchor to a proper setting angle if it has not already happened. If you begin to feel resistance let off your snub and continue playing out line until you hit 7:1+ gently snubbing along the way every now and then. The greater the scope used in setting the better the result and better the odds of a first try set will be.

#4 Setting the Anchor:
With the boat at 7:1, with a good test bite on the hulls backwards momentum, let the weight of the boat and the remaining momentum partially set the anchor and come to a stop. Once the boat has finished stopping, and is back to a taught line, not jerked forward from nylon rode stretch, run the engine up to full cruise RPM, usually 80% of max rated throttle, and finish setting or burying the anchor! With small outboards you'll want to use full reverse as they tend to have lower reverse thrust when compared to inboard engines. If the anchor moves or drags you’ll need to start over. No small AUX sailboat engine should be able to budge a properly sized and set anchor for the given boat. If it does you need new ground tackle or need to re-set and try again.

For example 30 knots on a 36 foot sloop is about 900 pounds of force on the anchor. My 36 footer has a 44 h.p. diesel spinning a 16" prop and can only develop just over 500 pounds of reverse thrust at 80% of max throttle or nearly 50% less applied force to the anchor than 30 knots..

This last step, 80% of max throttle, is very important and is one many overlook. Bottoms are often made of “layers” and the top silt layer is easily penetrable and will hold fine in light conditions but not moderate or high winds. You want to dig the anchor into the next layer, the one that is much harder, and will hold even in high winds to be properly set.

I have spent a good deal of time diving on anchors and I can assure you a solid 80% of the anchors out there are not properly set. With CQR’s this is usually represented by a partial sideways set meaning it is laying on its side with the tip partially buried. There was a perfect picture of a CQR doing this in the Sail Magazine anchor-testing article from last year. If you are not back-winding the sails or using 80% of your engines capacity your anchor is not really properly set checked.

#5 Shortening scope: Now that you set the anchor it is somewhat safe, depending on your choice of anchor, and chain/rode configuration, to shorten to a safer swinging scope for the anchorage you’re in. 4:1 is the generally accepted minimum for calm conditions or winds bellow 10 knots. 5:1 can usually be safe to around 14-15 and any wind speeds over that you will generally want more scope. Try and pick areas that will allow you to use the max allowable scope in case of a micro-burst or suden storms or high winds. If you leave your self only enough room for 4:1 you’ll likely get precisley what you ordered, the “disaster plate special with a side order of heartburn and severe anxiety”.:doh:

Hope this helps and that I did not forget anything…
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,987
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
With this explanation,

last week's anchoring topic and the links I provided to Maine Sail's earlier anchoring tips & tricks, this should be about all anybody'd need to to anchor, anywhere. Bookmark the topic and if anyone ever asks again about how to anchor...:):):)
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
1,271
CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
This thread is now my go-to reference for anchoring. Thanks guys.

Scott B - what is your primary or favourite anchor for the Georgian Bay area?
 
Jun 4, 2004
273
Oday 25 Alameda
Contrarian Advice

The OP has a small boat on a lake.

Anchor from the stern. Big boys in big boats in big conditions giving advice to a small boat boater in mild conditions may miss the mark. Try lowering the anchor from the cockpit and motor forward to set the hook. Then sit around and see what happens.

Many small boats "sail" forward over the anchor and the rode gets wrapped around the keel/stub or rudder. On a lake in a small boat, you may not want to carry the chain weight needed to form the catenary curve, or hassle with kellets.

Depends on where your C/E is realative to your CLR. The C/E of a small boat with the sails up is not the same as with sails furled or heaped on deck.

My boat never points in the same direction as the rest of the boats when anchored from the bow. If I anchor from the stern, my rode lays in the same direction as everyone else but the boat looks backwards. If I'm in a channel I anchor from both ends to hold my position.

Find out what works best on YOUR boat.

There is a downside to anchoring from the stern. The small wavelets come up under the stern and can keep you awake all night.
 
Jul 31, 2009
34
2 Contest 36s Sag Harbor
Depends

I have been single handed sailing for 25 years on a 36' sloop. It is equipped with all chain rode and an electric windlass and an autopilot. A CQR is the primary anchor. I've anchored from Maine to Brazil in this boat but only a few times in other boats.

Leaving aside anchor watch, my technique with my boat and it's ground tackle is as follows:

I study the chart for the proposed anchorage and listen to the weather forecast in advance of entering the anchorage. I select tentative locations based on the above and then proceed into the anchorage and survey the anchored boats to see if my previously selected spot is even available. If not I look for an alternate location considering depth and swing. I usually lay down 5:1 except in very shallow protected anchorages with very good holding and little wind.

I then proceed to the location and observe the depth sounder to make sure that I will have enough swinging room. In crowded anchorages I drop astern about 10 feet on of a boat. If captains are aboard I might as how much rode they have deployed to make sure we swing without hitting. If not I assume they have 3-7: to one. Rope rodes are longer usually.

I head the boat to the location using autopilot dropping speed and turning the pilot off so it continues tracking straight to where I want to drop. I generall drop bow to wind, but it need not be right in the eye of the wind.

When the boat is almost making no way, I go to the bow making sure I am pretty much where I want to drop. I release some chain and anchor suspend at the surface to make sure all way has stopped. Then I release more chain to about 2-3 times the depth. The wind will blow the bow off 99% of the time and push the boat (bow) downwind. As the angle of the chain become more acute I observe the boat's heading and angle of the chain to the bow. As it begins to set the bow is pulled back to face into the wind. The chain will go a bit taut and I will then let it out to the proper scope, the bow will often get blown off and the same process repeats at full scope with the bow get pulled into the wind.

I then observe the dink which I have been towing. When the boat is drifting back before the anchor sets the dink move forward to one side of the boat. It's not being towed and the boat is going astern so it remains or appears to move forward. Once the anchor sets, the wind blows the dink back aft. This is a sign that the anchor has set. I wait for a few "oscillations" of the bow through the eye of the wind indicating that the anchor is holding. A dragging anchored boat will not shear through the eye of the wind.

I then set my snubber which has a mooring compensator (stretchy rubber thingy) and pay aout an addition 15 feet or so. If it's blowing the wind will stretch the snubber indicating that the anchor is set and the rode is under tension. If it's not too windy I can run the engine in reverse to observe the same stretch effect on the snubber indicating that the anchor has set.

The I confirm that the location of the boat is OK and not likely to hit another boat. If it's windy I set a riding sail which reduces the yawing. The I kill the motor and relax.

To retrieve the anchor I run the windlass to remove the catenary of the chain. The boat makes way as a new catenary forms. I then weigh in more chain and the momentum increase until the boat is above the anchor and it breaks out and the windlass simply lifts the chain and anchor. But in close anchorages you need to be careful because you are making way or likely to be blown down wind. Be prepared to drive the boat out clearing other anchored vessels.
 
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