ANTIFREEZE for Winterizing Plumbing & Engine ???

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May 2, 2012
276
Catalina 310 Toronto, Ontario
Since I'm new to the 310 and having a new Jabsco Toilet. Questions and Answers abound. I have tried to research this topic and my head is spinning. The Plumbing system I take it will need a different Antifreeze compared to the Engine and what type of antifreeze ???.:confused: Now I have found that Jabsco suggest no antifreeze. By pass Hot Water Tank ???:confused:

All feed back will truly be appreciated.

Cheers
Irish Rogue
 
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Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
So here is what I do, you might need to change some of the antifreeze temps due to your location.

Water Heater - I installed a bypass like this package (http://www.amazon.com/Camco-35983-Q...51417&sr=8-2&keywords=water+heater+bypass+kit). To winterize the water heater, I turn on the bypass, open the drain line and the pressure relieve valve (very important to remember this). I just let the water drain into the bilge because it does give a good fresh water flush. I don't put antifreeze in the water heater.

Fresh Water System - I installed a "T" with a ball valve on the low point of the water line from the tank under the forward birth to the water pump (in the main bilge). I open the valve and let the tank drain into the bilge, add some bilge cleaner and clean the bilge with the water from the tank. I then installed a kit like this one (http://www.amazon.com/Camco-36543-Pump-Converter-Winterizing/dp/B0006JJ588/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_img_y) on the influent side of the fresh water pump. I connect the hose, turn the valve and put the end of the hose into a bottle of antifreeze. I then just allow the pump to pump the antifreeze to each faucet. I do the hot water side of the transom shower first, this cuts down on the amount of antifreeze used. I don't put antifreeze in the freshwater tank.

Head - I pour about two gallons of antifreeze into the bowl after a good fresh water flush and pump out through the macerator. I pump the crap out of the head and then pump out the tank with the macerator. Once I have pumped all of the antifreeze through the system I take the joker valve out of the head and clean it with soap and water. I leave it out until the spring. [Note: I don't test this system to ensure proper antifreeze - see below. I just go on faith for this one.]

[Note: We don't use the salt water pump for the head at current, so I don't have any water in that side of the line. This year I am going to connect the influent for the head to the head sink drain and when that is done I will change this a little. I will then close the head sink thru-hull, pour the two gallons into the head sink and pump the antifreeze into the bowl that way.]

Shower Sump & Refer - I pour about a half gallon of antifreeze in each of these and pump that through.

Engine - I installed a "T" with a ball valve at the thru-hull. I can shut the thru-hull, open the ball valve and connect a piece of hose from the valve into a bucket. I can flush the system with fresh water from the bucket. I do this for about 1/2 hour. I then shut down and change the oil. I restart the engine, flush with a more fresh water until up to temp, then add antifreeze to the bucket to winterize the engine. I can do this on the hard or in the water. Essentially, this is what MaineSail had on a post at one point.

As always, I recommend you review what MaineSail has on his site about winterizing. (http://www.amazon.com/Camco-36543-Pump-Converter-Winterizing/dp/B0006JJ588/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_img_y)

For antifreeze, I use -50 propylene glycol antifreeze (http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|2285701|2285712&id=138806) for my fresh water, head and other plumbing systems. About $5 a gallon and I use 5 gallons. I use -100 propylene glycol antifreeze (http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|2285701|2285712&id=138821) for my engine. About $10 a gallon and use about 5 gallons.

I test my systems to ensure I have enough antifreeze. I learned this from MaineSail (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/engine_freeze_protection). You can get test strips from Amazon for under $20 (http://www.amazon.com/Cool-Trak-311...555186&sr=8-1&keywords=antifreeze+test+strips).

Good luck, wish I had some picks to help.

Jesse
 
Sep 29, 2008
1,944
Catalina 310 #185 Quantico
My way

For the fresh water system I run it dry. I have a bypass on my hot water tank and an old piece of garden hose that runs though down to my bilge. I flip on the bypass, open the vent and then the drain. To get that little extra you can hook an air pump to the vent and get a little extra out. Then I take two 2 liter bottles of the cheapest rum and run it through the 2 sinks and the cockpit shower until I smell rum and see it foaming out.

For the shower sump, the head and the engine I use the pink anti freeze stuff. For the sinks I pour a little down and then shut the through hulls. For the engine (with the thru hull shut!) I take off the hose on the thru hull shove it into a gallon of the pink stuff and run the engine until I see it come out of the exhaust. Usually all it takes is one gallon. For the head I pour the pink stuff into the bowl and pump it through.

I have always considered having a rum punch part in the spring when I de-winterize, perhaps next year is the thing.
 
May 2, 2012
276
Catalina 310 Toronto, Ontario
THANKS a bunch!!! I was able to use your generous advice and winterize the boat. Thumbs up. I don't think the previsous owner did dick to it. Now all is well on the boating front ......... so far.

Cheers
Irish Rogue
 

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Feb 22, 2006
1,164
Catalina 310 Cape May, NJ
Here is the water heater bypass for the fresh water plumbing side in my system. Works well and keeps the antifreeze out of the heater.

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Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
A. Following manufacture advise can be good. Jabsco says to drain, because...
B. PG is bad for Jabsco heads. Practical Sailor article on this. EG is better.
C. NEVER winterize a head by flushing glycol only. That does NOTHING for the intake side. You need to such glycol through.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
A. Following manufacture advise can be good. Jabsco says to drain, because... B. PG is bad for Jabsco heads. Practical Sailor article on this. EG is better. C. NEVER winterize a head by flushing glycol only. That does NOTHING for the intake side. You need to such glycol through.
Both EG and PG are bad for your head. The primary problem is the joker valve. Just remove it and wash it with fresh water after or just replace it each spring. The Jabsco ones are around 5 bucks.
 
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