Another twist on mast raising systems

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topcat0399

topcat0399

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Aug 22, 2011
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MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
16 ft A frame legs?? I'll stick with my 6 foot gin pole. Thanks.
 
centerline

centerline

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Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
the catalina 27 has a more substantial mast than our boats... so it will take a bit more to raise and lower it.
even though it's a trailerable boat, it is NOT a trailer sailer like ours... so its not so much a different twist, but whats gotta be done to handle the mast.
 
patrickfarley

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Jan 10, 2011
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Macgregor 25 675 Lake Lanier
I use an 8' "A" frame at the front lifeline stanchions and lever it up. I have a pulley with a cam cleat at the top of the frame. I tie the top of the frame to the front cleat and connect the jib halyard to the top of the frame. The other end of the jib halyard goes through the pulley with the cam cleat. It goes up easy peasy.(No baby stays)
To lower the mast I wrap the jib halyard around the mast without the pully(using the A frame). The friction of being wrapped around the mast makes the mast lower slowly while I guide it and release more line.(No baby stays)
It takes me 38 to 45 minutes from arrival at the ramp to in the water ready to leave when I single hand.

My main problem is moving the very heavy rudder from the cabin to the stern.
If anyone has a good method of lifting it out of the cabin, through the cockpit and over the stern I would like to hear it.
 
centerline

centerline

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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
patrickfarley said:
I use an 8' "A" frame at the front lifeline stanchions and lever it up. I have a pulley with a cam cleat at the top of the frame. I tie the top of the frame to the front cleat and connect the jib halyard to the top of the frame. The other end of the jib halyard goes through the pulley with the cam cleat. It goes up easy peasy.(No baby stays)
To lower the mast I wrap the jib halyard around the mast without the pully(using the A frame). The friction of being wrapped around the mast makes the mast lower slowly while I guide it and release more line.(No baby stays)
It takes me 38 to 45 minutes from arrival at the ramp to in the water ready to leave when I single hand.

My main problem is moving the very heavy rudder from the cabin to the stern.
If anyone has a good method of lifting it out of the cabin, through the cockpit and over the stern I would like to hear it.
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Patrick,
I have a couple of the cheap throwable life cushions like they sell at bi mart, or wal mart... I use them for back rests when im sailing, but when im trailering, I have them laying on the cockpit bench, and the rudder laying on them... they protect the cockpit from the rudder hardware and it all rides nicely. it has never moved that I have noticed, and I did it the same with my other boat. never any issues.... mine is a folding rudder and i keep it snubbed in the "extended" position, so its easier to handle. then, when in the cockpit, I stand it up, lower it over the side and set the end on the ground, and someone can grab it from there, or when im by myself, I tie a dockline to it and throw a half hitch around the end of the tiller and lower it to the ground, or more specifically, I let it hang from the rope as I have it cleated to the jib cleat, while I climb down...
I see no reason the have it inside the cabin unless your worried about theft...
 
patrickfarley

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Jan 10, 2011
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Macgregor 25 675 Lake Lanier
I frequently go down to Florida. I keep the rudder in the cabin to get that weight forward. I also put the gas tank in the cabin. The electric backup motor, anchors(3) and the boom in the main cabin with the rudder.
Short distance travel I keep the rudder on the boat with it up and a red flag on the very back. The storage yard I use in Sarasota is 2 blocks from the ramp.
I use the towels that I use to cushion the mast to protect the boat as I move the rudder. I have been trying to think of a way to have the topping lift or something else to take some of the weight so it won't take 5 minutes to install the rudder.
I use the topping lift to install the boom. It holds the other end of the boom up as I attach it to the mast. It makes lifting it out of the cabin and installing it a matter of less than a minute.
 
finding41

finding41

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Nov 23, 2011
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MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
I saw the Tes 28 at the Toronto boat show. Spent more time on it than any other boat. I was impressed! Well put together and very well thought out. Only $105k
 
Bosman

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Oct 24, 2010
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Solina 27 Wabamun, Alberta
Agreed. I find Magnam just fantastic looking, she is an absolute stunning boat in my opinion.

 
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watercolors II

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Dec 23, 2008
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Catalina 22 Central Penna.
video and rudder storage

patrickfarley - Take second look at your trailer with the boat on it. Look at all the room under the trailer bunks to mount crutches, ginpoles, a-frames, ladders, extensions and with all of these there still should be plenty of room for a rudder. Get it out of the cabin, cockpit, trunk or pickup bed, make a cradle on the trailer to transport the rudder around.

The video

The extra large A-frame used in the video would have to be used if the mast plate and mast is not hinged like used on all popular trailersailors. I think it would be easier for that fellow if he converted his mast attachment setup to a hinged configuration and then use a standard size A-frame to swing it into position.

He’s assembling a tall A-frame, standing it up over the cabin roof, attaching 4 stays to the boat to keep the frame from falling sideways and front to back. Then he has to disconnect all the mast stays to lift the mast vertical a couple inches . I’m thinking the time it takes to do this once would be enough time to convert the maststep and then he would be looking at just a little more time and effort it takes all of us to swing our mast up or down.
 
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