All, There is a forum on yahoo that includes access to the old FTP site that used to be on Sailnet before it changed ownership. There are about 250 signed on and it is an active group. The address is: Mirage_Kirby@yahoogroups.com You'll need to register on yahoo groups before posting but you can view the archives without registering. Thought you all would like to know, Regards, paris m33 #32