Annapolis Area Rigger Recommendations
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Bacon Sails uses Fiddlehead Boatworks - http://fiddleheadboatworks.com/
They put together a new forestay and CDI furler when I added a roller furling genoa a couple of years ago. I didn't actually deal with Fiddlehead since I bought the sail through Bacon, but I figure they have to be reliable for Bacon to use them.
They put together a new forestay and CDI furler when I added a roller furling genoa a couple of years ago. I didn't actually deal with Fiddlehead since I bought the sail through Bacon, but I figure they have to be reliable for Bacon to use them.
Atlantic Spars & Rigging. Very good.
Located Severn ave Annapolis and here in Herrington Harbour North ( just south of Annapolis
At Herring Bay.
Atlanticspars.com
Located Severn ave Annapolis and here in Herrington Harbour North ( just south of Annapolis
At Herring Bay.
Atlanticspars.com
I can recommend where NOT to go.
When we left Annapolis, we of course had to pull the mast for transport. While it was down, I had some work done by ANNAPOLIS RIGGING.
They made a new mast base to replace the corroded one, and shaved the bottom of the mast. It all looked good. Also they did it in a timely fashion before the transport arrived. Also helped me with popping out old rivets and tapping for screws for a new steaming light combo. All good.
Then, I arrived in California in December '14, and a month later when we got settled, had the mast stepped to the keel. Too tall. Annapolis Rigging had made the mast base too high by about an inch. Rigging went back together, but my forward lower shrouds are too short to get cotter pins in.
I contacted Jay at Annapolis Rigging. He emailed me that he would sent 2 taller turnbuckles, and to give him my address. Fine, I'll put them in myself, what else can I do, no big deal.
Well, they never arrived. I called and emailed a dozen times over the course of months. Nothing. So I start leaving less patient messages and emails. All ignored. Checkbox: "Ignore". Finally I contacted Jabin's yacht yard, where Annapolis Rigging is located. They call Jay, and finally I get a response. Asks for my address, again. Says he'll send the parts. That was June 2. I've called and emailed more since. No parts. No response.
Unbelievably unprofessional, and after they SCREWED UP my mast on my beloved vessel. I would have been satisfied had he just made good on the parts, but he has chosen to ignore and lie instead, for 6 months. It doesn't take six months to send parts.
Sorry for the rant, but sailors need to know whom they are hiring, especially when it comes to safety, and the preservation of their hard-won investment.
When we left Annapolis, we of course had to pull the mast for transport. While it was down, I had some work done by ANNAPOLIS RIGGING.
They made a new mast base to replace the corroded one, and shaved the bottom of the mast. It all looked good. Also they did it in a timely fashion before the transport arrived. Also helped me with popping out old rivets and tapping for screws for a new steaming light combo. All good.
Then, I arrived in California in December '14, and a month later when we got settled, had the mast stepped to the keel. Too tall. Annapolis Rigging had made the mast base too high by about an inch. Rigging went back together, but my forward lower shrouds are too short to get cotter pins in.
I contacted Jay at Annapolis Rigging. He emailed me that he would sent 2 taller turnbuckles, and to give him my address. Fine, I'll put them in myself, what else can I do, no big deal.
Well, they never arrived. I called and emailed a dozen times over the course of months. Nothing. So I start leaving less patient messages and emails. All ignored. Checkbox: "Ignore". Finally I contacted Jabin's yacht yard, where Annapolis Rigging is located. They call Jay, and finally I get a response. Asks for my address, again. Says he'll send the parts. That was June 2. I've called and emailed more since. No parts. No response.
Unbelievably unprofessional, and after they SCREWED UP my mast on my beloved vessel. I would have been satisfied had he just made good on the parts, but he has chosen to ignore and lie instead, for 6 months. It doesn't take six months to send parts.
Sorry for the rant, but sailors need to know whom they are hiring, especially when it comes to safety, and the preservation of their hard-won investment.
Thanks Skipper. It is really important to get references for tradesmen, and check them. RE: Riggers, make sure you know who is going to do your work, a qualified guy may write the work order, but that doesn't mean he will do the work. I have worked with all these guys.
That's funny ... unless I'm missing something really important, I probably would have purchased the 2 turnbuckles someplace local or on-line 6 months ago and completely forgotten about the inconvenience by now.
Yes, you're missing something.
The old turnbuckles are installed. They're just too short to allow the cotter pins in.
I've been sailing the whole time, just having to keep an eye on the turnbuckles and tension. --BTW they haven't moved, but different analysis.
The replacement of the turnbuckles is a giant leap in forgiveness on behalf of the customer (me), who could have sued and demanded they fix the whole rig, including making the height the way it was. Of course, hard to do 3,000 miles away, which he knows and thinks it's ok now to ignore his failure.
Even if I were still in Annapolis, I would be satisfied with just the parts. I'm not a big stickler. However, the utter disregard, after my spending a respectable amount of $, is grounds for a rant, plus more.
He owes me a the parts, at bare minimum. I guess he's used to people who cave in and just suck it up. Sorry, that's not me.
Also, he initially and subsequently had said that he would send new ones. -maybe you missed that part. So why would I go and buy $120 in Hayn turnbuckles?
Had I known at the beginning that I would be lied to and ignored for six months then maybe I would have done something different.
There are always at least 2 sides to every dispute and your rant represents 1. It sounds like you want a pair of turnbuckles for free and playing "gotcha" and all the aggravation that the game entails is worth it to you. You're right ... I would simply say 'I guess I do need to buy a pair of turnbuckles' and then I would thank them for their lovely work, pay the bill, and happily move on with a clear conscience.
Suing over a pair of turnbuckles? That is funny!
Suing over a pair of turnbuckles? That is funny!
I second Jimmy Cockerill at the rigging shop. I had all my standing and running rigging replaced almost 4 years ago along with a mast/boom repaint. Fantastic job that still looks like new!
Genius: I'm not suing anyone. And if I were, it wouldn't be over turnbuckles. Maybe if you actually READ the content, you might understand.
The mast is too high. It fouled the rig. It's his fault. It was not "lovely work". What moron would be happy with that? I can't roll my eyes any further up into my head with that suggestion. Oh the pain.
I don't want "free turnbuckles". I want it fixed. I told him the mast wad too high, and that the forward lowers no longer fit. He said, ok I'll send you longer turnbuckle bodies. Done.
Get a clue. And butt out. Your comments have no relevance.
Skipper
I understand your fustration with Jay
Dropped my hydraliics off with him at the boat show said no problem/quick turn after a while started calling him and no answer or reply Well it was a year later at the show when I pestered a rediculus amount that i finally got the stuff back was looking at filing a claim and so forth though my stuff was gone for good
about a month before the fall show he started calling me demanding payment or he would sell my stuff. I said wait till I come to the show so I can inspect your work and then I will pay you he was mad I was shocked
Didn't plan on going to annapolis but had to was brasing for a multy thousand dollar loss
Ended up getting all back he performed the work and on sunday when it rained at the show formed a circular path around the painkiller booth
BEWARE!!!!!!
I understand your fustration with Jay
Dropped my hydraliics off with him at the boat show said no problem/quick turn after a while started calling him and no answer or reply Well it was a year later at the show when I pestered a rediculus amount that i finally got the stuff back was looking at filing a claim and so forth though my stuff was gone for good
about a month before the fall show he started calling me demanding payment or he would sell my stuff. I said wait till I come to the show so I can inspect your work and then I will pay you he was mad I was shocked
Didn't plan on going to annapolis but had to was brasing for a multy thousand dollar loss
Ended up getting all back he performed the work and on sunday when it rained at the show formed a circular path around the painkiller booth
BEWARE!!!!!!
Skipper, you are the one who chose to put your personal experience on display. You also said you "could have sued". I think it's funny because the basis for your frustration still seems to be over a pair of turnbuckles.
Consider this ... you wanted to fix a corroded mast base and make repairs to the base of your mast. By your own description, the job was on a deadline. Maybe it was a tight deadline, maybe not. Why did you do this job on the east end of the transport instead of the west end, where you would presumably have more time and the rigger would have an opportunity to fine tune the work? You took possession and ran ... so what chance does the rigger have to evaluate his supposed mistake?
It sounds like the forward lower shrouds are just a fraction of an inch short. It also sounds like the cap shrouds, the aft lowers, the forestay and the backstay are in good position. Who knows what else had to be fitted correctly which also turned out well.
Would you prefer that too much mast get trimmed off so that ALL the shrouds would be too long (except for the forward lowers)? How did you set up your boat? Perhaps you have a little too much rake or not enough pre-bend?
So your complaint is that a pair of turnbuckles have to be replaced. You took the rig under pressure of a deadline and moved it 3,000 miles from the location of your rigger (not providing any opportunity for them to evaluate) and now you want to complain that they aren't available to resolve your turnbuckle issue?
This really is a good laugh!
Consider this ... you wanted to fix a corroded mast base and make repairs to the base of your mast. By your own description, the job was on a deadline. Maybe it was a tight deadline, maybe not. Why did you do this job on the east end of the transport instead of the west end, where you would presumably have more time and the rigger would have an opportunity to fine tune the work? You took possession and ran ... so what chance does the rigger have to evaluate his supposed mistake?
It sounds like the forward lower shrouds are just a fraction of an inch short. It also sounds like the cap shrouds, the aft lowers, the forestay and the backstay are in good position. Who knows what else had to be fitted correctly which also turned out well.
Would you prefer that too much mast get trimmed off so that ALL the shrouds would be too long (except for the forward lowers)? How did you set up your boat? Perhaps you have a little too much rake or not enough pre-bend?
So your complaint is that a pair of turnbuckles have to be replaced. You took the rig under pressure of a deadline and moved it 3,000 miles from the location of your rigger (not providing any opportunity for them to evaluate) and now you want to complain that they aren't available to resolve your turnbuckle issue?
This really is a good laugh!
Scott, you really don't seem to be getting this. It's not over turnbuckles--it's over a screwed up mast base. The turnbuckles were Skipper's concession to the distance situation and just wanting to get it done, but then the rigger doesn't even do that after telling him he would. I'd be pi##ed off too.
Thanks to all for your helpful recommendations. And thank you, Skipper, for sharing your personal experience. That is exactly the reason I posted on this forum because I know many of you have much more experience and knowledge than I do being that I am relatively new to sailing. I am sorry to hear of the difficulty with your mast, but very appreciative of you helping me to avoid making a similar mistake!