and were forced to drink their urine

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Jul 20, 2005
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Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Below is a cut from a web page of shipping news. They speak of drinking urine. I thought that kills you. Can you survive on drinking your urine? Another thing I've learned from this...a hole can be punched into the hull just from a wave...although I'm not sure how. Shipwrecked Pair Survive 11 Days On Diet Of Willpower And Urine An Australian Skipper and his New Zealander First Mate survived 11 days in a storm-battered life raft with no food or water - and were forced to drink their own urine - after their yacht sank off Vietnam. Mark Wesley Smith and Steven John Freeman recounted yesterday how they clung desperately to their life raft as storms flipped it over and over for days on end. They ate nothing for 11 days, licked rainwater off the raft and were forced to drink their urine. They were finally rescued by Vietnamese fishermen. "We were left with just a paddle and a sponge," said Smith, 49, of Hobart. "We battled for our lives with almost nothing. It was just sheer willpower that kept us alive." "It's unreal. It's unbelievable," said Freeman, 30, of Nelson, New Zealand. "The Vietnamese have been so fantastic. They dragged us out of the water, and everyone has been unbelievably wonderful to us." Mr Smith and Mr Freeman spoke by telephone from Ly Son Island, off the central Vietnamese coast, where they are being treated after fishermen pulled them out of the water on Saturday about five kilometres offshore. The Captain and his Mate set off from Hong Kong on December 5 to deliver a 20-metre motor yacht to Australia for its owner. But within a day one of the yacht's engines failed and the seas started to get rough. Mr Smith said he had turned the yacht around about 200 kilometres off of Hong Kong to try to make it back to port. But a "monster wave" crashed over the bow and bashed a hole in the hull. "We sank in 60 seconds and the very next wave flipped the life raft just as we were zipping in," Mr Smith said. "It was unbelievable bad luck. All our flares, radio, water and food - just gone." The torrential rains of the storm allowed the men to at least drink fresh water, which they licked off the sides of the raft. After three days the rains stopped, leaving only winds that Mr Smith said never dropped below 35 knots. "Every day the raft was flipped and flipped again," Mr Smith said. "We did all the horrible stuff like drink our own stuff. But the nights were the worst." Both men's greatest fear, Mr Smith said, was that the other would be swept away. The same late-season tropical storms that tormented the pair - and have killed more than 40 people in floods in central Vietnam - have made it impossible so far to take them to the mainland. But Mr Smith and Mr Freeman say they are happy to wait, and happy just to be alive. They asked a reporter to contact their families to tell them they hoped to be home by Christmas. The first thing he wants to do in Australia "has a lot to do with food", Smith said. "A chocolate milkshake will do, just for starters."
 
Dec 2, 2003
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No Franklin

Urine is sterile. Some cultures in India do it too. It's one of their religions 'handles' on their lives.
 
Jun 5, 1997
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Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
To drink or not to drink...

Drinking one's own urine has been a time-honored custom in some primitive and a few not-so-primitive societies. According to my old clinical pharmacology handbook (D.R. Laurence) one Siberian/Mongolian tribe used to get high on a particular hallucinogenic mushroom which tended to become scarce enough in winter that tribal members learned to drink their own urine in order to prolong the effect of the hallucinogen (as it was being excreted by their kidneys). Moreover, a decade or two ago there was a prime minister in India (or Pakistan?) who started every day by drinking a glass of his own urine as a way of trying to live a long and healthy life. So, urine is not toxic enough to worry about drinking a glass or two. Unfortunately, as the urine becomes more concentrated as the body is slowly drying out both the salt content and the concentration levels of toxic metabolic products will rise and pretty soon the negative effects of drinking such urine will outweigh the potential small gains. Therefore, two somewhat related physiological approaches may be worth considering "in extremis", namely: (1)collecting and storing one's diluted urine, e.g. after a windfall (or rather rainfall) event that made it possible to drink a lot of potable water over a short period of time; and (2) administering seawater enemas (invented by the Robinson family; I believe) since the lower colon is thought to be capable of functioning more or less like an RO watermaker (except that the driving force is not being provided by physical pressure but by biochemical pumps). Cheers! Flying Dutchman
 
Jul 20, 2005
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Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
administering seawater enemas

So your saying that if you drink seawater and your urine, you can actually be gaining water in your system?
 

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Jul 21, 2005
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Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
Urine, yes, seawater I don't think so

Read Henk's post more closely, Franklin, it's in there :) Henk, I want to thank you for adding to my knowledge base :) I never would have thought of including an enema kit in my abandon ship bag, but it sounds like a reasonable idea ;D Franklin, I'm wondering 2 things about that hole: 1. Was it water that did it? Seems they'd have a hard time telling for sure with 60 seconds to abandon ship. 2. Was the hole in the hull or the deck. With NO experience to base this on, I can imagine a huge breaking wave hitting the deck hard enough to punch a hole, especially around a hatch. If the wave forced the bow down enough, the boat might fill with water very quickly. Pretty scary nevertheless. Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
 

BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
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Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
Drinking seawater

isn't good at all in any quantity. Putting it in the other end, apparently, enables the body to use its natural functions to filter out the harmful stuff (salt & ?) in the seawater. Hence the reference to a 'non-Reverse Osmosis' water purifier. Got it now? Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
I'll Stick With Beer

Thank You very much. Reminds me of a joke about a horse with Tuberculosis.
 
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