So, I had this crazy idea. I have an H-34 which has the "built in" non skid surface that's not really all that non skid. What if I painted it with actual Allgrip?. You know, very neatly with clean edges, etc. Would that look like hell? Anyone out there done this?
Allgrip over the Hunter non-skid surface
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Have you considered using Kiwi Grip? It is thick enough that it should cover the existing non-skid (like the later models) and can provide good traction too.
The issue is that the deck has a bumpy texture cast into the fiberglass to make it nonskid but it's not very nonskid. I want to allgrip it but I do not necessarily want to cover up the bumpy surface just make it grippier. The question is: how will it look?
Kiwi Grip will not cover existing non-skid pattern.
I have used it quite extensively on areas I have re-cored on our O'day 34. One area that di did not re-core, I sanded the factory non-skid and applied Kiwi-Grip over it, but the pattern of the old non-skid telegraphed through. It is very apparent in a setting sun. Next time I will sand the old non-skid until it is smooth.
I have used it quite extensively on areas I have re-cored on our O'day 34. One area that di did not re-core, I sanded the factory non-skid and applied Kiwi-Grip over it, but the pattern of the old non-skid telegraphed through. It is very apparent in a setting sun. Next time I will sand the old non-skid until it is smooth.
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I used INTINTERDECK-GRY and it is very close to the original color. It has a little roughness for the non skid but looks like the original paint. I highly recommend this product.
I used INTINTERDECK-GRY and it is very close to the original color. It has a little roughness for the non skid but looks like the original paint. I highly recommend this product.
I've done this on three different boats using Interlux Perfection and Brightside, with their non skid powder mixed in. All came out looking very nice. You don't want the non skid surface to be real shiny, but the powder does flatten it out somewhat. They also have a flattening agent to bring the gloss down more. You can play around with a practice piece to get the mix right. The one part Brightside lasted a couple of years until it needed touching up, the two part Perfection was still looking great ten years later when I sold the boat. Definatly go two part. Awlgrip has the same additives, and is a higher quality product so it should be even better.
I'm not sure about the built-in pattern Hunter uses for anti-skid, but Beneteau does something similar and I can tell you that painting it with ANYTHING destroys the anti-skid properties. Once it loose the edge its done. Hell, using the wrong cleaning materials on it will damage it.
H-34 Skid Deck
Here is a shot of the "bumps".. little raised diamond shapes with rounded tops. Not much anti-skid but better than a slick deck. Works OK with a soft boat shoe like Crocks..
EDIT: Any paint with much viscosity will flow into the grooves between the diamonds and then ya really do have a slick deck.. As Captn JGW says, I think putting on a coat of Brightsides or similar with a good roller is probably the only way other than spray painting to keep from filling the valleys..
Here is a shot of the "bumps".. little raised diamond shapes with rounded tops. Not much anti-skid but better than a slick deck. Works OK with a soft boat shoe like Crocks..
EDIT: Any paint with much viscosity will flow into the grooves between the diamonds and then ya really do have a slick deck.. As Captn JGW says, I think putting on a coat of Brightsides or similar with a good roller is probably the only way other than spray painting to keep from filling the valleys..
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AH. Bene uses these babies. Look close and they are little half-diamond shaped peaks with square edges and the top lopped off. Just as long as you don't screw them up, you can put on a good pair of boat shoes and play spider-man. Bare feet almost as good. Only thing NOT good is knees. Nope.
You can't paint it. The hunter pattern looks less aggressive and you might get away with it.
I've tested this with Brightsides and it works, you will retain the nonskid pattern but get added grip if you use the non-skid addative and some flattening agent.
I would agree with the above posts that Awlgrip or the two part Perfection (both made by Interlux) would be a better choice than Brightsides. You can't top coat Brightsides without sanding so you'd have to get it in one coat without thinning. Actually, I'm sure the same would be true for Perfection and Awlgrip with the non-skid addative, so plan to get it right in one coat, but it will last longer. Prep would be a good cleaning and de-wax wipe down with acetone or lacquer thinner.
At the end of the day I decided to go with Kiwi Grip after sanding the non-skid pattern flat and de waxing. Ultimately cheaper and easier to repair, touch-up, and recoat if needed. There was enough chips and other damage to the non-skid to warrant sanding it flat to begin with. I would bet that the Awlgrip and Perfection will last longer than the Kiwi Grip, but $110 gallon will do my entire boat and if I get at least 3 to 5 years out of it then I think that's good.
BTW, on certain sections of my C-22 like the pop top and the fwd hatch cover the non skid in the gel coat is not damaged, so I could still go the route of Brightsides with the addative but I haven't decided yet. Still working on priming my deck/cabin/cockpit.
I would agree with the above posts that Awlgrip or the two part Perfection (both made by Interlux) would be a better choice than Brightsides. You can't top coat Brightsides without sanding so you'd have to get it in one coat without thinning. Actually, I'm sure the same would be true for Perfection and Awlgrip with the non-skid addative, so plan to get it right in one coat, but it will last longer. Prep would be a good cleaning and de-wax wipe down with acetone or lacquer thinner.
At the end of the day I decided to go with Kiwi Grip after sanding the non-skid pattern flat and de waxing. Ultimately cheaper and easier to repair, touch-up, and recoat if needed. There was enough chips and other damage to the non-skid to warrant sanding it flat to begin with. I would bet that the Awlgrip and Perfection will last longer than the Kiwi Grip, but $110 gallon will do my entire boat and if I get at least 3 to 5 years out of it then I think that's good.
BTW, on certain sections of my C-22 like the pop top and the fwd hatch cover the non skid in the gel coat is not damaged, so I could still go the route of Brightsides with the addative but I haven't decided yet. Still working on priming my deck/cabin/cockpit.