Air Head

Ric

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Apr 1, 2009
36
2 42mkII Lake Texoma
In the latest addition of Good Old Boat magazine they had an article on the Air Head. The article seemed pretty positive and it would appear that there are numerous advantages. It didn't sound like they've had it installed for that long and have the experience of time though.

I've thought about installing one, but haven't convinced myself that it's better than a Lavac toilet and holding tank combination. Has anyone had any long term experience with the Air Head, either yourself or close friends? I'd like to know if people are still happy with it a year or two after purchase and extensive use.
Thanks,

Ric
s/v Blue Max
#2692
 
Oct 30, 2019
58
If by Air Head they are referring to a composting
toilet you might want to go over at www.sailnet.com
where the the subject has come up. My
recollection is they are fine for occasional use.
The solids and liquids need to
be handled separately.

Regards
Jerry
At 06:03 PM 9/5/2011, you wrote:
 
Dec 5, 2007
144
Ric and other Vegatarians,
Is the consensus that the Lavac is the best head?When I purchased Cygnet she had an Airhead that had been modified so that it was shorter due to limited "head" room in the "head" closet. I sold it to a gentleman back east, I believe from this site. My memory is such right now? I didn't like the separate container for the urine. It plugged and leaked. Mine might have been an early prototype.I'm using a portapotty right now which is to my mind less hassle and nicer smelling than the Airhead, but I didn't use it for very long. I'm considering adding a head and holding tank for my next project after repairing and painting the deck.
Happy Labor Day,Bruce s/v Cygnet #169

Joseph "Bruce" Bergman

To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
From: n6ric@...
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 22:03:38 +0000
Subject: [AlbinVega] Air Head




In the latest addition of Good Old Boat magazine they had an article on the Air Head. The article seemed pretty positive and it would appear that there are numerous advantages. It didn't sound like they've had it installed for that long and have the experience of time though.
I've thought about installing one, but haven't convinced myself that it's better than a Lavac toilet and holding tank combination. Has anyone had any long term experience with the Air Head, either yourself or close friends? I'd like to know if people are still happy with it a year or two after purchase and extensive use.

Thanks,
Ric

s/v Blue Max

#2692
 

n6ric

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Mar 19, 2010
208
Bruce,
I don't know if the Lavac is the best head out there, but I do know it is a great design that doesn't clog like other heads. Plus the pump is separate from the head so it is easier to service. I've heard nothing but great things about it and is propably the direction I'll go. It would be nice to not have to worry about thru-hulls, but I don't think I'm ready to turst the Air Head yet.

Ric
s/v Blue Max
#2692
 
Sep 24, 2008
346
I'd second the Lavac as the most reliable non composting head. Bulletproof
compared to any other type and as simple as it gets.
 
Oct 31, 2019
303
I have an Airhead that I am installing in my Vega. So I haven't used it, but
I have a couple comments. First I have friends who have one and they love
it. Virtually no odor when I was on their boat. The big problem with the
Airhead, well there are two. it is very tall -- 19 inches. So when it is on
the head platform it is a long ways to the cabin sole and I am 6 foot. That
also means that you have to bend your head down, but it is doable. The other
problem is that you have to separate liquid from solid. Since I sail alone
this isn't a problem if you remember the soap bottle discussion a few weeks
ago. But if my wife sailed with me the Airhead wouldn't work.

One thing I am doing is to vent it to the stern. The guy at Airhead says it
easily vent 20 feet, so that is not a problem Rather than use the expensive
hose he sells for this, I bought about 20 feet of a flexible PVC (1.5 inches
I think it was) to reach from the flex hose attached to the toilet to the
PVC. I am also installing an inside the hull dorade vent for this (which is
probably overkill, but it is interesting to design and build, so I just have
to do it).

If I had it to do over I'd go with the Lavac the boat had. It was a Canadian
boat so it didn't have a holding tank. I think I should have installed a
holding tank as it would have been far easier and cheaper. (By the way
Canada is requiring holding tanks starting next May and they have
requirements on where sewage can be dumped much like the US has had for
years -- similar anyways, the Canadian law states untreated sewage can't be
dumped within three miles of shore).
 
Oct 30, 2019
34
I plan to install one if possible. There are several discussions about
composting toilets at Cruiser's Forum and also at Sailnet. If you are brave
and want to find out how they work without spending more than about $25,
search for how to build your own at Sailnet. If you can't find it, let me
know. I have it saved somewhere. Here is a quote from a long time user at
CF:

"I have the the"Air Head" Doodles linked to. I went with the Air
HeadHeadonly because
the measurments fit the
head Head space available on
my boat.
MichaelC makes some very good points. You need to keep an eye on the urine
container and not wait too long to empty it. I find this a very very minor
chore easily done when compared to repairing joker valves, macerators, seal
kits etc.
I researched for a long time others who went with composting toliets before
I made my decision. Most people who have never used one tend to cringe at
the idea. I understand, I was the same way. My wife gave me that "It had
better work" look when I told her what I was going to do. I installed it and
took a two week
cruiseCruisers & Sailing Forums - Discussions about Cruisewith my
brother in-law and nephew. When we got back I did not empty the head
and I left the boat closed up for about a week. I came back with my wife and
the first thing she said when we opened up was that the boat never smelled
so fresh after sitting for so long. I had for years always assumed that
musty smell was from humidity and some mold not the
plumbingPlumbinglines.
The cost of these things are a bit high for what they are right now, about
1k once installed. But I believe as they become more accepted and more
boaters turn to them the costs will come down. Still, they're cheaper than
new holding tanks,
electricElectricheads,
hose, valves etc. I also talked to the local CG guys. They have no
problem with them at all and some like them a lot better because there's no
chance of accidental or other wise willful discharge. I also carry a Home
Depot 5gal. bucket and lid with plastic bag liners to empty a full pot into
if I can't get to a proper location in time. The owner of Air Head, whom I
spoke with several times, claims that you can get 80 uses before it is
nessacary to dump the holding container. That might be a bit high. I found
about 60-70 uses fills it up enough to where you would dump it. But that's a
considerable amount as well and with the 5gal. bucket we can go a long time.

This was one of my better decisions for our boat. As MichealC says ' Best
thing since night baseball'"
(*Tellie*Cruisers & Sailing Forums - View Profile: Tellie,
Senior Cruiser)
 
Oct 30, 2019
34
Here is another quote from Cruiser's Forum on the subject (link:

Having shot my mouth off on this board quite a bit on the composting toilet
issue, I thought I'd add a kind of surprising recent experience I've had
with same. I'm away from home doing some
repairsRepairson a
rental house I own, and, being in the process of replacing the entire
floor of the bathroom (thank you, former tenant, may you rot as the floor
has), I've had the
waterWateroff in the
place for a bit. I can do with bottled
water Water just fine, but
the toilet thing was an issue. I thought about using a 5 gallon bucket with
sawdust as a gonzo composter, but it seemed...um...uncomfortable. Then I
suddenly thought, hey, the toilet is here and dry, why not use it? So I
lined the john with a plastic contractor bag, threw in some sawdust
(actually dried pine sawdust kitty litter) and used that.

Despite the gonzo arrangement, despite the small capacity and lack of vents,
there has been ABSOLUTELY no odor of any kind. I mean, I can smell it when I
go, but that's it. I cover the paper and leavings with a handful of the
litter after use, use a bottle instead of the toilet for urine, and there
have been no problems. It's been just me, but even with the small capacity
of the lined toilet bowl, it lasts about a month before I have to dump the
bag (there's a compost pile in the back yard) and even then there's been no
smell.

My point is, we may be making this a LOT more complex than it is in our
search for sterilization. As long as there's an absorptive medium with which
to cover the fecres, and the urine is separated, it seems to work in an
odorless and entirely satisfactory fashion. I suspect a 5 gallon bucket with
an attendant toilet seat would last a couple at least a month aboard without
having to dump it, and if my experience is any guide, there would be nothing
objectionable about the setup.

In a related story, I was planning on using one of those "sun shower" setups
to bathe until I get the pumbing lines back where they should be. I've used
them before on boats and at festivals, and they do work, but they're
awkward, and 5 gallons of
waterWateris a handful
to manhandle.

I hit on the simple expedient of using 2 litre soda bottles instead. I took
a bottle cap and drilled 6 holes in it as a spray nozzle. I fill the things
2/3rds full of cold water from my water bottles and in the morning when I
make tea I fill em up the rest of the way with boiling water (Use a funnel
though. Direct contact with boiling water makes the plastic deform). One
bottle, if you're frugal, gives an entirely satisfactory shower. Two are
positively luxurious. I've also started using the setup for dishes and the
like. Works well, costs nothing. My kinda thing.
 

scajax

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Oct 31, 2019
23
LAVAC.......18 trouble free ..liveaboard years....mini pearl________________________________
From: cindy schult schult.cindy@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Air Head

Here is another quote from Cruiser's Forum on the subject (link:

Having shot my mouth off on this board quite a bit on the composting toilet
issue, I thought I'd add a kind of surprising recent experience I've had
with same. I'm away from home doing some
repairsRepairson a
rental house I own, and, being in the process of replacing the entire
floor of the bathroom (thank you, former tenant, may you rot as the floor
has), I've had the
waterWateroff in the
place for a bit. I can do with bottled
water Water just fine, but
the toilet thing was an issue. I thought about using a 5 gallon bucket with
sawdust as a gonzo composter, but it seemed...um...uncomfortable. Then I
suddenly thought, hey, the toilet is here and dry, why not use it? So I
lined the john with a plastic contractor bag, threw in some sawdust
(actually dried pine sawdust kitty litter) and used that.

Despite the gonzo arrangement, despite the small capacity and lack of vents,
there has been ABSOLUTELY no odor of any kind. I mean, I can smell it when I
go, but that's it. I cover the paper and leavings with a handful of the
litter after use, use a bottle instead of the toilet for urine, and there
have been no problems. It's been just me, but even with the small capacity
of the lined toilet bowl, it lasts about a month before I have to dump the
bag (there's a compost pile in the back yard) and even then there's been no
smell.

My point is, we may be making this a LOT more complex than it is in our
search for sterilization. As long as there's an absorptive medium with which
to cover the fecres, and the urine is separated, it seems to work in an
odorless and entirely satisfactory fashion. I suspect a 5 gallon bucket with
an attendant toilet seat would last a couple at least a month aboard without
having to dump it, and if my experience is any guide, there would be nothing
objectionable about the setup.

In a related story, I was planning on using one of those "sun shower" setups
to bathe until I get the pumbing lines back where they should be. I've used
them before on boats and at festivals, and they do work, but they're
awkward, and 5 gallons of
waterWateris a handful
to manhandle.

I hit on the simple expedient of using 2 litre soda bottles instead. I took
a bottle cap and drilled 6 holes in it as a spray nozzle. I fill the things
2/3rds full of cold water from my water bottles and in the morning when I
make tea I fill em up the rest of the way with boiling water (Use a funnel
though. Direct contact with boiling water makes the plastic deform). One
bottle, if you're frugal, gives an entirely satisfactory shower. Two are
positively luxurious. I've also started using the setup for dishes and the
like. Works well, costs nothing. My kinda thing.
 
Aug 29, 2011
103
Bruce, when we bought Beowulf last year the Lavac was not working. The
problem was a broken seat clamp (I mean the fitting that holds the seat to
the ceramic bowl), the effect of which was to make it impossible to develop
the vacuum that it needs to operate. I discovered while replacing the the
seat and cover that the old design had been superseded by a stronger design.
The replacement was easy to install. Later a visiting crew member flushed
toilet paper and I had to clear the pump. This was worse in anticipation
than in reality. The Lavac is so simple and easy to service when that is
needed, I am completely satisfied with it, and would not dream of replacing
it. Tom
 
Mar 13, 2011
12
The link below contains a detailed description of the challenges encountered in installing and using an Air Head dry composting toilet. It appears to me that most challenges were the result of user error.

Link: http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/ewcompostingheadinstall.htm

There is an alternative dry composting head made by:
Nature's Head Composting Toilets -- The Official Site

That said, I am planning on replacing my non-operational head and holding tank with one of the two products. My understanding of the foul holding tank odor (that never quite goes away) is that it is not from the holding tank itself but from the waste left on the walls of the hoses coming in contact with air.

Paul
V1554 Estrellita
 
Oct 30, 2019
58
" Later a visiting crew member flushed
toilet paper and I had to clear the pump."

I ended up purchasing a Norsea (wasn't lucky enough to land a Vega)
that needs the interior finished. The Lavac head
is at the top of the list because people say they have so little
trouble with them. However the above quoted statement rises the question
"Can the head handle toilet paper or does one provide a separate
container for the paper?"

Regards
JerryAt 04:27 PM 9/6/2011, Tom Fenton wrote:
 
Dec 5, 2007
144
Thank you, Tom.....after reading about the composting in a five gallon bucket method, that would be adequate for me, but a future first mate might object. I think for now I'll keep it simple with my portapotty and then install a Lavac if the first mate requires one.

Joseph "Bruce" Bergman

To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
From: tjhfenton@...
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:27:29 +0100
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Air Head




Bruce, when we bought Beowulf last year the Lavac was not working. The

problem was a broken seat clamp (I mean the fitting that holds the seat to

the ceramic bowl), the effect of which was to make it impossible to develop

the vacuum that it needs to operate. I discovered while replacing the the

seat and cover that the old design had been superseded by a stronger design.

The replacement was easy to install. Later a visiting crew member flushed

toilet paper and I had to clear the pump. This was worse in anticipation

than in reality. The Lavac is so simple and easy to service when that is

needed, I am completely satisfied with it, and would not dream of replacing

it. Tom
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Paul,
Please post pictures when you start your conversion! This is a very interesting thread to me, as I have a boat under restoration and am seriously looking at composting heads. The Admirable was not in favor of them until she talked with Brian and Diana Hoffler (former Vega owners) who have an Air Head in their latest boat and love it.

My Internet research leads me to favor the Nature's Head, but I haven't seen one in the flesh yet. I just like the look and the finish of the outside material.

Escaping all the tanks and hoses, smell, pumpouts, worrying about "Coast Guard Approval", fielding "Do you think the tank is full?" questions, and generally being environmentally unfriendly, I think head technology is long overdue for an overhaul. Regulations are only going to get tighter so, IMHO, it seems a composting unit is the logical and responsible way to go for now and for the future.

Now lets see ... how much head room is in that Albin Ballad head? .............

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'