Advice regarding grab rails

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BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
I took advantage of the nice weather to go to the boat yesterday. Everything was fine, which is great considering the last time I was aboard was December. Last spring I stripped the top of the hand rails, but never got around to applying new varnish. Noting the varnish drips from the last varnish job on the stainless stand offs (the little tubes between the deck and the rail) I opted to pull them entirely off so I could properly apply a nice thick layer of varnish.

For the most part disassembly was easy. Removed the acorn nut, remove the regular nut just to the end to protect the threads then tap them up from below. Repeat as necessary. It was necessary to lever up the ends, which have shorter bolts with no stand offs. Each stand off had a wooden core to center the bolt in the stainless tube. In about 50% of the cases that wood was wet and crumbled upon removal. The wooden core was cut shorter than the tube. Upon removal of the stand offs there were disks of ~1/4 thick silicone adhered to the deck around the holes. From this I guessed that the wood cores were cut short, fit into the tubes, then filled with a healthy dose of silicone before being fit into place. The bolts were obviously inserted through the silicone as there was silicone on the threads in many cases.

While the cores of some were obviously wet, there was also evidence of leakage into the boats interior, as the nuts on the inside had some yuck on them, which I am generally taking to be an indication that the bedding has failed. The good news is that there wasn't evidence of significantly wet core as the holes showed no signs of wetness after bolt removal.

An interesting challenge was transporting the rails home, as they must be twelve feet long. Lucky for me my Tundra's rear window retracts so I had them lying across the bedliner projecting into the cab onto the dash. If I had put them in the bed they would have projected out about four feet. I had visions on some idiot running into them and couldn't imagine what a pain it would be to cut a new pair. :eek: It made for somewhat chilly ride home, but not too bad with the warm weather and the heat cranked.

Anyway, now for the question. I am trying to think of an improvement over the wood core S2 used. Most of them got soaked and it wicked into the interior.

I could use plastic, but it cold flows and could therefore become ineffective as the seals might break.

I could use wood again, but epoxy the wood plugs (apparently just cut from a dowel and untreated, which would be easy and inexpensive). I could also improve things by sealing the tops as well as the bottoms with sealant, which would perhaps eliminate a route of water ingress.

I could have a machine shop make me some out of aluminum, but the combination of aluminum and stainless in close proximity might not be the best for a marine environment.

Your thoughts appreciated, as always.

BobM
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
bob i havent removed mine as of yet ...but i will have to do that ......i am thinking about making some out of teak and doing like the ones that are so popular on other boats ...you know the ones with the hand hold loops in them....but as for your question ....use some teak dowles for filler and seal both ends ...the original ones were prolly not teak to began with ...i say this because i took my compression post apart this past weekend and the core in the middle of all thoses boards was rotten about 12 inches up from the sole i mean dust rotten so when i go back together i will either use teak or maybe even a stainless steel sq tube for the core... at todays prices they are both very high priced lol ...i also have to cut the cabin floor and go in a repair the support under there as it is soft and i am sure it needs to be replaced...when i go in i will be able to tell you whats down there as you asked me to give you a heads up ....by the way did you ever get a quote from the plastic shop on the foward hatch .....i am still thinking about buying that 4/8 sheet of three quarter plastic and making my own just wish it came in tinted....i may be able to have it tinted at an optics lens shop ..as they tint glasses all the time ......

regards

woody
 
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BobT

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Sep 29, 2008
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Gulfstar 37 North East River, Chesapeake Bay
A fellow posted his solution on our S2 27 email group. He has a small hole saw to cut cores that fit inside the tube, uses teak and epoxies a few layers in. This leaves a nice center hole already in place. I would drill 95% through the board and finish from the reverse side.
Alternately, look in Mcmaster-Carr for plastic stock, or even round rod.
 
Feb 1, 2010
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Hunter 33.5 El Dorado Lake, Kansas
I had to do that too a week ago and had the same problum with the rotted core. I had a old handle that was the wright size so I cut new ones. I also used new stainless bolts and nuts too. Then used 3M 400 and set them back in. It was a pane because of the arch and bend. Make shore that the holes line up before you set them in; I had to pull my first one and start over.

I was woundering what to do about to rotted core too. But mine lasted for 33 years. If I have any more leaks I think I my use a old tire tub and make a gaskets.

Good luck

Amos
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Haven't heard back from Select Plastics

by the way did you ever get a quote from the plastic shop on the foward hatch .....i am still thinking about buying that 4/8 sheet of three quarter plastic and making my own just wish it came in tinted....i may be able to have it tinted at an optics lens shop ..as they tint glasses all the time ......

regards

woody
I sent an email inquiry and haven't heard back yet. I was looking at the hatch yesterday and it looks like crap. It seems solid, but is crazed very badly. I think I will call select plastics this week. Then knock together a wooden cover. They are close enough to me that I can save $100 if I drive it to them and pick it up vs. mailing it. Thanks for keeping me in mind regarding the compression post. I was looking at my deck too and there is definitely some unwanted denting under the mast due to compression.

Bob
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Re: Haven't heard back from Select Plastics

I like the idea of teak or a similar hard wood dowel for both ease of manufacture (I need to make about 16 of them) and durability. If availability is a problem, or cost, I may go with something else. Whew...just hunted around on-line quickly. A teak dowel that is 3/4 by 36 inches could cost hundreds if it is first grade. I'll call Boulter and see what they can do. Otherwise I think I will just make them out of something more common and impregnate them with Git-Rot. Then I will seal them top and bottom, rather than just at the bottom, which no doubt led to their demise.
 
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