ABYC electrical standards

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Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Does anyone know if to meet the standard/insurance requirements do you need to use tinned electrical wire. Before you start on me, I know about the differences. I'm looking to purchase 30 ft of 2/0 red and black battery cable that exceeds all the requirements of the DOT, US Coast Guard, ABYC and other regulatory bodies. At 1.63/ft. Which is a hell of a lot better that what most are asking. Thoughts? Jim S/V Java
 
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Roger

newbie to the electrical field

I have always sailed a daysailor, so have never had to worry about tinned or not, guage size etc, but this spring I am mounting nav lights to my 17' daysailer II, and although I have wired a cabin cruiser before, don't know why tinned, nor what guage for a couple of lights and the compass. I have 18 guage red and green stranded, and I plan to twist the pair near the compass, install a lighted switch, and put a fuse behind the switch, but I don't know if this is 'safe' wire to use, nor what size of fuse to use. Please advise on the reasons for the tinned wire, but also any pitfalls or recommendations for my plan.
 
Aug 11, 2006
1,446
Hunter H260 Traverse City
Tinned Wire

The American Boat & Yacht Council, Inc. (ABYC) develops safety standards for small craft. Here's the ABYC website: http://www.abycinc.org/ These are "voluntary" standards for the boating industry; if you install untinned wire I don't think the "Wire Police" will show up at your dock and arrest you. As noted, some standards are "recommended" others are "required" for certification. My guess is an insurer and law firms would frown on installing untinned wire. Even copper corrodes in the marine environment, and corrosion is the primary cause of electrical failures on a boat. Plating each strand of the wire with a thin coat of tin-called tinning--dramatically improves corrosion resistance. The additional cost of tinned wire is nominal, the benefits substantial. Under "normal" ircumstances use only tinned wire. Don Casey's "Sailboat Electrics Simplified" covers this well. Simple diagrams and narrative. You can't go wrong. Try Amazon.com @ $15.00
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Read all of these BUT

No were does it specify "tinned" wire. If the wire meets Coast Guard, SAE J378, J1127 or J1128 specs and you properly seal the ends and there are no nicks in the jacket who cares. If it takes 20yrs to corrode I'll be long gone. Does tinned wire corrode? or just it take longer to? The cost difference it a lot. non-tinned is 1.63/ft 60 x 1.63 = $97.80 tinned is 3.05/ft 60 x 3.06 = $183.60 There has to be a major overriding answer to this besides it is better to be tinned. This is driving me nuts!! Jim S/V Java
 
Jun 6, 2004
300
- - E. Greenwich, RI
Well, Jim...

There's a lot of good advice floating around here and I'm just going to add my two-cents. I just finished re-wiring my boat before launch last spring. Yep...ripped every bit of wire out and replaced it with nice, fresh, new, tinned Ancor. New panel, ground block, the whole nine yards. I even re-wired the mast and installed all new lights. After examining the old wire that was removed (23 years old) it was hard to imagine how ANYTHING electrical even WORKED on this boat. Now normally, I don't hold much stock in the term "marine grade" because most of the time it's used simply to justify the higher price. BUT, there were a couple of wires that were about ten years old that WERE tinned. These were the only wires that did not have any problems...says something, doesn't it? Now, I don't know about anyone else, but after a full season I have found no deterioration of connections or splices, no corrosion on my batteries, and no electrical problems whatsoever. So, now it's decision time for you Jim ole boy. Do you want to do the job right? Or do you want to do it cheap. To me, the choice is clear and simple...the price difference is cheap insurance for a reliable electrical system. Sailors are notoriously thrifty, frugal, etc. (call it anything you want, but it all still means cheap). However, that's okay when you want to save money by doing your own work (provided you have the knowledge). It ISN'T such a great idea , though, when it comes to quality materials unless it's obtaining the highest quality materials at the lowest price. Re-wiring my boat...Was it cheap? Nope...Was there a lot of labor involved? Yep...Would I scrimp on quality to save a few bucks?...Not on your nellie! Remember the words of good old Cap'n Ron..."If anything's gonna happen, it's gonna happen out there!" Oh, yeah...in answer to your question; Not many, if any, insurance companies even ask. Their major concerns are water damage (deck/hull core, around deck fittings, etc.), properly wired (not tinned vs. bare), no "T" fittings for installed Propane/CNG systems outside of the propane/CNG locker (this is a biggie), vapor-proof pass-throughs for propane/CNG lines from the locker, engine and ancilliaries. Cheers, Bob Nonsuch 30C Hull #77 Lazybones
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Wire update - getting tinned

Was able to get the 2/0 wire tinned from ebay for $2.99/ft. What's nice, the guy is in my backyard so to speak. Even though I'm getting the tinned, the discussion still had not satisfied me. With todays manufacturing and double jacket insulation on the wire, un-tinned should be fine. For battery cables that is. BUT the first mate and half owner said, "Install the tinned wire or no sex"! How the hell do you argue with that logic? *pop Jim S/V Java
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
SHE SAID WHAT???!!!!

Here, use this site. These folks sell good tinned wire at a lower price than I found even on ebay. http://www.fisheriessupply.com My qawd man, maybe I can send you some of my extra stuff if she is serious. *pop
 
Jun 6, 2004
300
- - E. Greenwich, RI
Regardless of how advanced mfg processes are today...

By using tinned you are elimnating one more mechanical failure. Manufacturing processes may be terrific these days, but these processes are still subject to human error. Tinned is the way to go. Cheers, Bob
 
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Bud

Hey Fred, I've checked Websters...

and cannot find the word 'whatayouknow'. :) Bud
 
Dec 2, 1997
9,011
- - LIttle Rock
Check that spelling again Fred...

It's actually spelled "whaddayaknow"...should be just above "whaddayathink" and somewhere near "Who'dathunk" in your OED. :)
 
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Bud

Peggie, it appears that Fred's deck...

joint might be compromised. Maybe too much grog in the bilge. :) Bud
 
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Jonathan

Look up "brevity" while you're at it.

Not only are sailors cheap, we're also concerned with saving space. A simple "WTF" (question mark optional) does nicely for a multitude of applications. Great tips on how and where to wire.
 
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