About catalina 25

Aug 6, 2014
2
Catalina 25 Port Isabel
Hello out there,

Im trying to buy a Catalina 25 with a trailer.. A used one of course. Im an amateur sailor. Will take some lessons as well. My questions are..
1. I have a 4cyl. jeep patriot 4x4, would this be enough to trail the boat around?
2. How much would I spend in yearly maintenance.. I would like to buy a WING keel outboard catalina..
3. If someone is selling his/her boat with this characteristics Id be interested

Thanks
 
Nov 26, 2012
1,654
C&C 40-2 Berkeley
Catalina 25

I had a 1983 C-25 for a few years. It is a great all around sailboat. I sold it because I like to race and I wanted something faster. The C-25 sold very quickly as it has a head, and is comfy below. The great thing about it is that there is a large Catalina community and lots of parts and info on the boat. Good sailboat. Well built. However, unless you are just pulling it in and out of the water there is no way the 4 cylinder jeep pulls it and maybe not even then. The boat and trailer weigh about 5000 to 6000 lbs. That will take a full size V-8 truck.
 
Aug 6, 2014
2
Catalina 25 Port Isabel
Catalina 25

I had a 1983 C-25 for a few years. It is a great all around sailboat. I sold it because I like to race and I wanted something faster. The C-25 sold very quickly as it has a head, and is comfy below. The great thing about it is that there is a large Catalina community and lots of parts and info on the boat. Good sailboat. Well built. However, unless you are just pulling it in and out of the water there is no way the 4 cylinder jeep pulls it and maybe not even then. The boat and trailer weigh about 5000 to 6000 lbs. That will take a full size V-8 truck.
Thanks!! And i meant outboard engine.. Hehe
Really appreciate it
 
Oct 3, 2011
832
Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155 155 Lake Erie/Catawba Island
When we owned our Catalina 25 we used our tahoe to tow it, But I have heard and seen guys who will either rent a Uhaul truck or just pulling it out of the water on a shallow incline use cars just to pull a VERY short distance.
 
Nov 7, 2012
678
1978 Catalina 30 Wilbur-by-the-Sea
When I first wanted to get into sailing the wife and I looked at a bunch of boats. C22, C25, C27. The 25 was a wing on a trailer.

We have a F150 with a tow package and I drive heavy trailers at my job. That said we opted not to get the C25 because of its size and the distance we would be towing (30 miles).

We ended on a C27 and kept her in a wet slip, more sailing and less fussing with mast stepping. If you find a club that allows onsite storage with the mast up or you live next to the ramp a C25 will do ya.

My suggestion, get a slip keep the Jeep, the money you would spend on a vehicle upgrade spend on the slip. You end up sailing more and get better gas Milage out of your car.
 
Jul 17, 2014
112
Hunter 23.5 Chesapeake Bay
Geraldolau, first - join this web forum if you haven't already: www.jeeppatriot.com

There you will find a bazillion thoughts on what a Patriot can or can't pull.

I, too, have a 4 cyl Patriot (much to my regret, having given up my pickup truck) and will be attempting to tow and launch a Hunter 23.5 soon. First time with this vehicle. My truck had no problem with it, but I am worried with this little 4-banger. :neutral:
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
To be honest I think you need to read the owners manual of your Jeep,
and not ask on the forum about whether your 4 cylinder can pull a 5,000 lb.
boat & a 1,500 lb. trailer, but I can tell you without reservation that the answer is NO!
The average 4 cylinder engine can rarely pull more then 1,000 lbs. of additional weight.
A C-25 is over 5 time this weight load!

I used to own a C 25 & it definitely takes a V 8 size engine to pull this boat,
which is marginally too big to be considered a trailer sailor. Just pull your Jeep up next
to a C 25 & look at the size of the boat next to your small vehicle, & its a joke to even consider it. With the trailer tongue & hitch length the boat is 30 feet long on a trailer, 8.6 feet wide (not street legal) & is very big & bulky. I have a Honda Odyssey with a 3.5 liter V 6 that has 250 HP & I would not consider towing a C 25 with it, as I love my van & do not want to blow the transmission out. Unless you hate your Jeep & want to blow the tranny or motor, then do the sensible thing & rent a V 8 heavy duty pickup with a class 3 hitch & transmission cooler setup. Even with this it takes a lot of practice to haul a boat of this size & weight.
ps. Most older boat trailers have rusted wheel bearings & dry rotting tires, so check it out thoroughly before use. I spent more fixing the trailer that came with our older C 25 then I did on the boat refit!
 
Sep 5, 2012
1
Tartan T33 Grand Isle
First hand experience and thoughts on towing Cat 25

We have an 84 Cat 25 tall rig fin keel, 8 hp Honda outboard on a custom dual axle Triad trailer with electric brakes. It's a great boat and trailer combination. Were having a lot of fun sailing it and staying on it comfortably on weekends. It's big enough to be comfortable and small enough to bring home in the off season which makes projects a whole lot easier to complete.
We tow from Western Mass to Lake Champlain at the beginning of the season and home again in the Fall, about 180 miles each way. Routes 91 and 89 are very hilly and we take our time. I agree with the estimate of approximately 6,500 lbs PLUS any gear and passengers. I also agree that the Patriot is not enough vehicle to safely tow a rig of this size.
A couple of observations based on our personal experience towing boats for 35 years:
Tow vehicle - We currently tow with a Silverado, 5.3 liter v8 with a towing package and electric brake controller option. The max towing capacity is 9600 lbs, max tongue weight on our truck is 600 lbs. To be safe, we use a weight distributing hitch to balance the load between the trailer and truck and keep all four truck wheels firmly planted. No offense, and I'm not an engineer, but I think if you dropped a Catalina 25 on the hitch of the Patriot you might have some serious steering/braking issues, even on dry pavement, not to mention eventual suspension, hitch or or transmission failure. It's a big package and over 12 feet from pavement to top of bow pulpit so there's lots of wind resistance too. Our 2014 does a fine job as did our 2011, but I wouldn't consider towing this boat with anything smaller, especially if we were towing several times a month. Please see the attached not-so-good photo to get a sense of the size.
Brakes - We are fortunate, albeit poorer$$, because our fin keel/trailer combination requires a crane or lift launch. The good news is that the trailer bearings and brakes are never submerged as they would be in a ramp launch. I'm not sure what the wing keel trailer combo would require. Our trailer has electric brakes that can be adjusted from the cab, although once they're balanced to the loaded truck we seldom have to make any changes. We looked at swing-keel Cat 25's on trailers with hydraulic surge brake systems that were completely seized due to lack of maintenance and submersion. That might be ok on a trailer that never leaves the boatyard and is launched with a tractor or lift. However, it seems to me the ability to safely stop an over-the-road trailer is more important that getting it rolling. If you've ever towed much you probably know what I mean. I don't care how careful you are, it's only a matter of time before something or someone causes you to hit the brakes harder than you'd like and that's when you'll need the trailer brakes and a tow vehicle heavy enough to maintain control. I realize you're shopping for a boat and not a trailer but if you're going to tow a boat this size over the road you have to make sure you can control it, if not for your own safety, then for the safety of others. Whatever you end up with, I suggest you have the brakes serviced and if you end up doing ramp launches have them checked more often, it's cheap insurance. Either braking system should be fine if properly maintained. Rebuild the brakes and hubs if they need it and don't overlook the tires. You're probably going to end up with a double axle trailer and losing a tire at highway speed could cause other marginal tires to fail if they can't support the weight of that side of the trailer. Losing even one tire could have disastrous consequences.
I also agree with previous posts, unless you have need for a larger vehicle, you'll spend more time sailing and have fewer worries if you can manage to get a slip for the season. We've made lots of friends and learned loads from people we've met at our marina. If you can rent or borrow a vehicle to get your boat to the marina you can continue to enjoy the fuel economy of your Jeep. Another option would be to ask your marina if they will tow for hire and ask them to quote a price to transport your boat once you've found it.
Good luck, be safe, and have fun. You'll like the Cat 25.
 
Jul 17, 2014
112
Hunter 23.5 Chesapeake Bay
Gerardo, you still out there?

Well, the answer is a resounding - NO. A Patriot cannot pull a Hunter 23.5, and probably not a Catalina 25, either.

I tried to pull my 23.5 about 3 miles over mostly flat road, with a couple of small hills. The engine was straining just to get up to 40mph and on uphills it dropped to 30-35mph. I was dreading the ramp for fear of not being able to pull the boat back out in case the motor didn't start or something. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I didn't get that far (see "Dismasted" post). Gosh darn it, I regreat every day that I sold my pickup truck. I'm going to look like an idiot launching with a U-Haul pickup truck. Well, maybe that is appropriate for me.