A windlass in the future?

mjsb

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Jan 28, 2021
56
Hunter 31 0 TSS, Apollo Beach FL
I have an H31' circa 87, and am looking at putting a windlass on the boat, as pulling up the anchor can be a little thing. Will be replacing chain and line.
Typical anchorage less than 20 ft.
Power will be it's own AGM battery, shared charge with starter battery.

Any ideas?
Has anyone done it on a 31?
Any issues wether horizontal or vertical?

In advance thank you for any help.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,136
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
My 2 cents. I've had a windlass for 26 years. Buy what fit and the configuration that works. I would not recommend a Lewmar. I think they still use French motors that are crap.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,146
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Vertical/Horizontal. Decide on where you can install.

Get adequate power to retrieve the rode.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,264
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Your first step here will be to post pictures of your existing anchor locker from every angle you can manage. The chances of anyone with an '87 H31 reading this post are slim to nil.

Once we see that, there will be more people with more locker designs looking at your pics than you can shake a stick at. Ideas should start flowing.

Power will be it's own AGM battery,
Not the best idea for openers.
 
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mjsb

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Jan 28, 2021
56
Hunter 31 0 TSS, Apollo Beach FL
Your first step here will be to post pictures of your existing anchor locker from every angle you can manage. The chances of anyone with an '87 H31 reading this post are slim to nil.

Once we see that, there will be more people with more locker designs looking at your pics than you can shake a stick at. Ideas should start flowing.



Not the best idea for openers.
Doesn't seem to be much activity by 31H, so I ask questions of all. I will take a few shots in the next couple of days, thank you for the advice.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,958
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The question of vertical vs horizontal is really dependent on how the chain and rode will fall. The vertical drop off the windlass is important, if it is too short the chain will pile up and force the rode off the windlass. This is less of an issue with a short chain and long nylon rode, but still needs to be considered.

The only advantage to having a dedicated windlass battery is using smaller gauge wire to connect the battery to the charging source. The charging cables on a 31' boat will need to be at least 6 ga and 4ga would be better. There will be some cost and weight savings by using the smaller gauge wire, however that will be offset by the expense and weight of adding a battery. The battery weight will also be exactly where you do not want it, in the bow.

Adding a dedicated windlass battery can be a bit tricky to wire properly. To charge them off the same circuit they will need to be wired in parallel and they will need to have the same charging profile. Just as important the battery should be of the same age and type, i.e., FLA or AGM. Adding to the problem will be the voltage drop over the cables, the battery nearer the charging source will receive a higher voltage than the further battery which will lead to uneven charging. To further complicate the picture, to properly wire the batteries in parallel and to insure even charge and discharge across the 2 batteries it will be necessary to run 2 additional cables to place them in parallel.

My suggestion, forget the dedicated battery, it won't get you much and will be a pain to wire properly. Use properly sized cables from the largest battery in your system and only use the windlass when the motor is running.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,264
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
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The biggest detractor of all with the one dedicated windlass battery, IMHO, is that you loose the added assistance of the alternator running at 2000 RPM plus whatever your house batteries are prepared to add into the circuit. The single dedicated battery is going to lose several volts at heavy windlass loads.

Be sure to do a complete calculation for your cable to the windlass. It never ceases to amaze me the number of people on this site who admit to having used their "gut feeling" to size the cable. Either oversized or undersized by several sizes. I used #2 AWG wire for a 3% loss on my 700W windlass motor. I have seen others use anything from #6 AWG to #2/0 AWG wire for a 31 ft. boat with the same windlass motor.

If you don't have one already, the attached table is your best friend.
 

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Dec 25, 2000
5,932
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Any ideas?
Yes, more questions. What does your anchor weigh, plus 20 feet of chain? Why go electric? A manual windlass might server you just as well without the hassle of going electric. Our H28 did not have a windlass, and little effort was needed to bring up the anchor. On the other hand, our current boat has a 40 pound Danforth plus 50' of chain that came with an electric windlass. A real chore to bring it up by hand, which I have done before (another story). If you feel you want a windlass, I would recommend you go manual and save your money for something else. My boating buddy had a manual double action horizontal windlass on his 34' Pacific Seacraft with all chain. Always seemed to work quite well.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
I have an H31' circa 87, and am looking at putting a windlass on the boat, as pulling up the anchor can be a little thing. Will be replacing chain and line.
Typical anchorage less than 20 ft.
Power will be it's own AGM battery, shared charge with starter battery.

Any ideas?
Has anyone done it on a 31?
Any issues wether horizontal or vertical?

In advance thank you for any help.
Maybe convenient but may not really be necessary. You don’t say how long you have owned the boat, and how much you have anchored out in the Tampa Bay Area and proximity. I cruised my Pearson 30 between Clearwater and Pine Island Sound anchoring on 15 ft of 3/8” chain plus 150 ft of 1/2” nylon 3-strand; Danforth anchor, for 11 years. Many nights at anchor including the experience of one afternoon T-storm at DeSoto Point. A windlass would be “overkill” for the size of ground tackle you need, IMO. It’s not hard to lift 15 ft of chain and Danforth (or Fortress) from 20 ft.

But if you do install one, I’d recommend a vertical model b/c it probably does not impede use of the foredeck as much as a deck mounted horizontal one will.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
12,565
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
You can also fairlead your rode back to a winch…. You Could invest in a power winch instead of a windlass and 2for1:beer: