A General Update

Oct 30, 2019
574
Well, the MD-6A started and ran for almost 2 minutes today. I had to initially start it with the decompression lever lifted. But she did eventually start and ran, lots of smoke at the beginning, but water coming out the exhaust as indicated.

We have an anchor roller in the fab shop. She is 1/4 inch 304 stainless, with two bow rollers that extend past the bow about 6 inches. She will be attached via 5 points on each side (counting the two through the line guides) through the hull to deck joint. The underside will have SS backing plates. I'm not quite sure how we're going to get everything installed just yet. Faith is the operative word. On that note, I calculated the max load and tensile strength of 1/4 inch SS plate. However, my engineering skills are a little dated. So, if anyone can think of anything I might be missing, please advise. I intend to install a teak "cover" over the 6 inches that extend from the bow to make her a bit more appealing.

Installed the bridge deck today. For better or worse, she is not coming out any time soon. I added two support members. I beefed it all up because I haven't totally given up on the idea of moving the traveler to that point. However, I'm not committed to the idea yet, either.

The head (our big project for the season) is in. 16 gallons of SS beauty mounted using the KISS method above the head on the starboard side. She is a site to see.

Ground tackle replaced, as well. I went with a 22KG Delta with 100ft of 1/4 inch hi-test and 200 ft of 5/8 inch double braid. I braided the rope to the chain and all looks good so far. Can't wait to give her a shot at fame this summer.

We have the original forestay. So, I've decided to step the mast with the forestay this year and leave the furler at home. We have a full sail inventory (#1, #2, storm jib, 165%). I'll use the blocks for the furler to run a line for the jib haul down.

New lifelines are in and, despite my limited skills, actually look good. Special thanks to Peter (Sin Tacha) for the lifeline advice, and to Peter and others re: advice on the head design and installation. I couldn't have done it without all the support and ideas! FYI...the SS tank ended up costing about $800 US with fittings. It fits perfectly into the starboard space above the head (with about 1" insulation on 3 sides).

Next year we'll be putting in the dinette, glassing over the bilge drain, moving the hand bilge pump indoors, and running the lines aft. But, that is months away! For now, we'll install the bow roller when it is ready and launch in May (with a little luck).

Happy sailing to one and all!

Jack
Bella - V2620
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Jack,
Sounds like you're doing one heck of s good job.
Thanks for the flowers!

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Oct 31, 2019
230
Jack -- what instructions did you use for the head? Are they on our
yahoo site? Thanks, Trev - V2915.


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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of j.hunter9999
Sent: April 11, 2010 8:41 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] A General Update

Well, the MD-6A started and ran for almost 2 minutes today. I had to
initially start it with the decompression lever lifted. But she did
eventually start and ran, lots of smoke at the beginning, but water
coming out the exhaust as indicated.

We have an anchor roller in the fab shop. She is 1/4 inch 304 stainless,
with two bow rollers that extend past the bow about 6 inches. She will
be attached via 5 points on each side (counting the two through the line
guides) through the hull to deck joint. The underside will have SS
backing plates. I'm not quite sure how we're going to get everything
installed just yet. Faith is the operative word. On that note, I
calculated the max load and tensile strength of 1/4 inch SS plate.
However, my engineering skills are a little dated. So, if anyone can
think of anything I might be missing, please advise. I intend to install
a teak "cover" over the 6 inches that extend from the bow to make her a
bit more appealing.

Installed the bridge deck today. For better or worse, she is not coming
out any time soon. I added two support members. I beefed it all up
because I haven't totally given up on the idea of moving the traveler to
that point. However, I'm not committed to the idea yet, either.

The head (our big project for the season) is in. 16 gallons of SS beauty
mounted using the KISS method above the head on the starboard side. She
is a site to see.

Ground tackle replaced, as well. I went with a 22KG Delta with 100ft of
1/4 inch hi-test and 200 ft of 5/8 inch double braid. I braided the rope
to the chain and all looks good so far. Can't wait to give her a shot at
fame this summer.

We have the original forestay. So, I've decided to step the mast with
the forestay this year and leave the furler at home. We have a full sail
inventory (#1, #2, storm jib, 165%). I'll use the blocks for the furler
to run a line for the jib haul down.

New lifelines are in and, despite my limited skills, actually look good.
Special thanks to Peter (Sin Tacha) for the lifeline advice, and to
Peter and others re: advice on the head design and installation. I
couldn't have done it without all the support and ideas! FYI...the SS
tank ended up costing about $800 US with fittings. It fits perfectly
into the starboard space above the head (with about 1" insulation on 3
sides).

Next year we'll be putting in the dinette, glassing over the bilge
drain, moving the hand bilge pump indoors, and running the lines aft.
But, that is months away! For now, we'll install the bow roller when it
is ready and launch in May (with a little luck).

Happy sailing to one and all!

Jack
Bella - V2620
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Trev - Here is a link to the KISS installation method. I used a slightly modified version of the system where the tank is above the waterline and the head is below the waterline. I say "modified" because I redesigned the tank to maximize tank size and hide the hoses as much as possible. I had it fabricated from stainless, but you could go with polyeth.

Link to KISS

There is a file in the Files section titled "Holding tank sketch and Capco quote.pdf." It was posted by Roy (Good Things V1813). This got me started on the tank design. I believe Peter (Sin Tacha) employed the KISS method when he re-did his head, too. I think there are photos of both installations in the photos section. They were both extremely helpful during the replacement process.

I uploaded two files to a folder titled Holding Tank Sketches that show the tank. You can modify the size of the pipes to match the availability of various fittings for your part of the world.

I could post photos, too. Not sure how much more helpful they'll be than the ones from Peter and Roy. But, let me know if you'd like to see them. Its not painted yet.

Jack
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
NOTE: I would not use welded polyethelyne plastic again for my tank. I would go with fiberglass as I think Peter did, or stainless. WELDED poly, I have heard can more easlily dissasemble itself. yuck.
Roy
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
NOTE2: MOLDED poly, which is what you purchase from places like Ronco, is the ultimate holding tank. But this would require several (3?) vega owners to get together. Then you can go to Ronco and get a molded one made. They have to make a mold first which costs some up front. Then vega owners would just go to Ronco and order the vega holding tank.Roy
 
Oct 31, 2019
230
Jack, thanks. I wonder if your tank fabricator guy could make other
ones one a little cheaper, now that he has already made up the form for
yours? Where is he located? Not sure if I can afford this project this
season - but maybe next year. Trev



From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of j.hunter9999
Sent: April 12, 2010 7:08 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: A General Update





Trev - Here is a link to the KISS installation method. I used a slightly
modified version of the system where the tank is above the waterline and
the head is below the waterline. I say "modified" because I redesigned
the tank to maximize tank size and hide the hoses as much as possible. I
had it fabricated from stainless, but you could go with polyeth.

Link to KISS
http://www.sailcopress.com/editorial MSD.htm

There is a file in the Files section titled "Holding tank sketch and
Capco quote.pdf." It was posted by Roy (Good Things V1813). This got me
started on the tank design. I believe Peter (Sin Tacha) employed the
KISS method when he re-did his head, too. I think there are photos of
both installations in the photos section. They were both extremely
helpful during the replacement process.

I uploaded two files to a folder titled Holding Tank Sketches that show
the tank. You can modify the size of the pipes to match the availability
of various fittings for your part of the world.

I could post photos, too. Not sure how much more helpful they'll be than
the ones from Peter and Roy. But, let me know if you'd like to see them.
Its not painted yet.

Jack
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Trev,

I'm not sure about cost, but I can check. He is located in Peoria, IL. I'm heading down there this weekend and could see what he thinks. If you're going to put it off until later, its probably better to wait until your ready to ask the question (prices changing and all). I'll pull out the receipt when I get back and post his contact information. Don't feel bad about reminding me if I forget...I've been known to suffer from half-heimers...forgetting half of what I know.

jack
 
Oct 31, 2019
230
Thanks Jack. Half-heimer's ha ha - must remember that one. :) Trev
(V2915)



From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of j.hunter9999
Sent: April 13, 2010 9:36 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: A General Update





Trev,

I'm not sure about cost, but I can check. He is located in Peoria, IL.
I'm heading down there this weekend and could see what he thinks. If
you're going to put it off until later, its probably better to wait
until your ready to ask the question (prices changing and all). I'll
pull out the receipt when I get back and post his contact information.
Don't feel bad about reminding me if I forget...I've been known to
suffer from half-heimers...forgetting half of what I know.

jack