A Different Kind of Sailboat

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Mar 4, 2004
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Hunter 37.5 Orcas Island, WA
I've always admired the way a ketch looks and have wondered what it would be like to sail one. So when the opportunity presented itself to charter a Morgan 41 Out Islander ketch down in Mexico over the holidays, I decided to have at it. The Morgan differs from our Hunter 37.5 in several respects. In addition to the ketch rig, it has a full keel, a center cockpit, hydraulic steering, seventies vintage gear, and a displacement of about 24,000 pounds. For those who have wondered about different kinds of boats, I thought a comparison to our Hunter might be interesting. The boat was not well maintained but I'll try to keep that out of my comparison. The ketch rig istelf was a piece of cake. Splitting the rig between main and mizzen meant we were dealing with smaller sails that were easy to raise, lower, and trim, even without the Dutchman system and Battcars we have on our boat. The boat was sluggish in light air, but moved nicely in 15-16 knots with an easy motion. The sluggishness I think related to it's heavy displacement. I had hoped the wind would kick up to 25 knots or so as I wanted to sail under jib and jigger (jib and mizzen) but the opportunity never presented itself. I HATED the hydraulic steering. I had no feel of the pressure on the rudder. I would turn the wheel a quarter of a turn and nothing would happen. We were constantly oversteering and having to correct. Even after a week on the boat I didn't have a feel for it. The hydraulic steering was mushy enough that I couldn't get a feel for the difference between the full keel and my fin keel. The center cockpit was ok. I think it's probably great for open ocean stuff as you feel more protected. The cockpit was over the engine room and the passageway aft, so headroom in the very large aft cabin was excellent. The flip side is you feel a little more removed from the water. This Morgan was built in 1979 and hadn't really been updated much. None of the winches was self-tailing. The only lines that could be trimmed from the cockpit were the sheets. Not much thought had gone into ergonomics, and the genoa sheet winches in particular were hard to access easily from the cockpit and crank with any force. The main cabin was pretty dark and poorly laid out relative to our Hunter 37.5. Overall reaction: My wife asked to stop at the marina on our way home to give Wanderlust (our H37.5) a kiss. Me too but I enjoyed the experience of sailing a different boat. Gary Wyngarden S/V Wanderlust H37.5
 
Dec 2, 2003
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- - Seabeck WA
Thanks again Gary,

that pretty much goes with what I observed back in the 'good old days'. We used to race against one of those when we first were learning sailing. (Club races) We never lost to that boat. What's that? What were we racing with? Oh, sorry. An Ensenada 20. It was trailerable and didn't even have spreaders on the mast. It was my first sailboat. I recall the PHRF rating was something like 485.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,319
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Morgan OI 41s

Gary First, thanks for all your valuable contributions to this site. You'll be missed in the Q&As but we hope you continue to be here. Second, Morgan OI 41s were notorious as the Tanks of the Waterways. They couldn't go uphill at all, and, as you said, were horrible in light winds. My guess is that with your great description, it wasn't only the systems and the hydraulic steering, but the overall boat itself. As a comparison with your Hunter, it sure wasn't much, but I'll bet that if you tried a Maramu ketch you'd be very impressed. Then you could do a comparison of the Maramu and the Morgan! And get another vacation out of it! All the best, and thanks again, Stu
 
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Hi Gary, Chartered a Pearson 42 in the VIs. Considered several boats including the Morgan 41. Left St Thomas with a Morgan 41 upwind (15 - 20) to Jost VanDyke. The Morgan arrived 2 hours after. Talked with the skipper and he wanted to know if we motor-sailed. Told him we were able to sail to anchor. His comments on the M41 were critical. Morgan made a lot of boats and others had pretty good performance. The Morgan 41 was made for the charter industry and maximized interior volume. Think the M41 would be OK off the wind, reasonable under power and simple to handle in light air to 25. Most charters do not set full sail, sail off the wind and power upwind = M41.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Just in case someone want to know

more about these M41s, try the link. Stu
 
Apr 19, 1999
1,670
Pearson Wanderer Titusville, Florida
Maybe you just "ketched" a bad one...

I crewed for a week on an Irwin 46 ketch a few years ago and it was great. Very similar setup to what you described re. center cockpit, easy sail handling, huge master suite under aft deck and hydraulic steering. This boat also had a large deck salon, full galley, pipe berths, on-board generator and stern davits for the hard dinghy. It had a tall rig, made 7+ kt upwind and had a very easy motion in the waves. Check out the closing scenes of the movie "Wild Things" with Matt Dillon, Kevin Bacon and Neve Campbell to see what an Irwin 46 looks like under sail. It feels even better than it looks. Hey, and before I forget, thanks again for all the quizzes. Peter H23 "Raven"
 
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