3GM Starting Problems

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Jun 4, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 352 NYC
For the last few years I have had an intermittent starting problem. The boat would start every time while at the dock, while hooked into shore power. However, when out on the water for an hour or so, the boat may start or may not. I would then shut down all instruments, fridge, cabin lights or anything else that was “on”. After a few minutes the boat might start or might not start. I started keeping track of temperature, humidity, length of time off the dock, etc. – I couldn’t find a pattern. It was very frustrating; a few times I would have to wait 15 minutes before it would start. I had the same problem this weekend in Raritan Bay, filled to the gills with fishing boats and then the wind died off, the perfect time to start the engine and dodge the always moving fishing boats. When I pushed the start button – nothing! I had even removed the power for the fans and dash – figuring I would get more power to the starter solenoid…still nothing. I was done; it had to be fixed ASAP. I read several dozen articles regarding this problem, some of which suggested grinding down the pins on the starter and starter solenoid. Others, suggested it was due to corrosion on the wires in the starting loop, key switch, momentary on (push button) and the wire leading to the starter solenoid. I found no corrosion and replaced both the key start and push button – no success, I still had starting problems. There were still more articles blaming the problem on the batteries - new AGM batteries installed and I still have the problem.... The solution: replace the 12 awg wire with a 10 awg wire from the key switch to the push button and replace the second 12 awg from push button to the starter solenoid. It was real easy and once you have all the necessary replacement parts, it takes about 15 minutes to fix. From the key switch there is a 10 awg wire coming in, on the other terminal there are three wires, a solid red, red with black stripe and white. The red with black stripe and solid red are for powering the fans and dash (alarm, lights and gauges). The white runs to the momentary on with another white 12 awg wire, from the second terminal, running to the starter solenoid. The first step was to fish, using an electricians “fish tape”, the wire through the console to the aft section of the boat. After fishing the wire thru, the connections were simple, 4 10-12 awg connectors with 8 awg rings. I left the boat on for about an hour, with everything “on” (water pumps, anchor lights, all cabin lights, radio’s, hot water heater, autopilot, etc). The boat started three times with ease. The true test will come later this week when I am out for a two hour sail and she either starts or doesn’t on the first try!
 
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Chris

Same here...

I have had the same problem. Replaced the solenoid. No difference. Replaced the starter button. Not better. I heard that don't start the engine in neutral with a little gas since there is a switch which prevents the engine from starting in gear and that might engage. That helped for awhile, but the problem is back. I have heard about what you did, but it is hard to fully understand what you connected to where. Also don't know what the 8 awg rings are. can you be more specific? cymeyer@comcast.net
 
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Jeff Rappaport

Similar problem solved

Had a similar problem which was caused by poor connection in a multi-strand wire from engine side harness to connector. It was random problem but replaced engine side harness. OK ever since
 
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Tim

Rob got it right!

<<<The solution: replace the 12 awg wire with a 10 awg wire from the key switch to the push button and replace the second 12 awg from push button to the starter solenoid. It was real easy and once you have all the necessary replacement parts, it takes about 15 minutes to fix.>>> This is a well-documented Yanmar problem addressed here frequently. The archives have lots of info, as does the Torresen marine website. Yanmar's "fix" is to add a solenoid near the starter and have the start button actuate the solenoid instead of the solenoid that is ON the starter. Kind of redundant in my opinion. Rob has the right fix, which is to simply replace the small gauge wire from the button to the starter solenoid, which allows enough amperage to pass to actuate the starter in the first place. Why someone hasn't started a class-action lawsuit against Yanmar for this KNOWN PROBLEM is beyond me. On another Yanmar gripe.... You know the little rubber switch "condom" on the switch on the panel? Well you can't buy the little rubber part alone, you have to buy the whole switch unit and the rubber protector comes with it. $32. Another Yanmar ripoff, IMO. Tim
 
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