Moving traveler from cockpit to coachroof. One option is to build teak "towers" on the deck to raise the traveler over the spray hood. That leaves an unsupported section. I will use the original traveler due to financial restraints. Any opinions? The other option is to go with two mainsheets - one each side - snap-shackled to the toe rail. I just saw a beautiful 45 footer with such an arrangement. Owner says it gets rid of preventer and vang but leaves you with lots of line in the cockpit. Using two sheets keeps the boom from swinging while reefing etc. Any opinions or experience with this concept?
37C traveller options
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I LIKE IT ON THE BRIDGE DECK
I PERFER IT IN THE COCKPIT... I SAIL SHORT HANDED ALOT (ME AND THE WIFE) AND IT MAKES THINGS EASIER IF I HAVE TO BE ON DECK AND SHE HAS TO ADJUST THE MAINSHEET. I HAVE A 5:1 SET UP AND I CAN STEER AND TRIM WHILE SHE HANDLES THE JIB SHEETS. WHEN I GOT THE BOAT IT WAS ON THE CABIN TOP BUT IT MADE IT TOUGH TO TRIM WITHOUT A SELF TAILING WINCH AND SOME MUSCLE, AND EVEN AFTER I ADDED THE SELF TENDING WINCH I STILL WASN'T HAPPY I RACE THE BOAT EVERY NOW AND THEN AND IT MAKES IT EASY FOR THE CREW TO STAND IN THE COMPANION WAY AND TRIM THE MAIN. I HAVE A SNAP SHACKLE ON THE BOTTOM BLOCK SO I CAN MOVE THE MAINSHEET TO THE RAIL WHEN ANCHORED IF NECESSARY... JUST ONE MANS OPINION
I PERFER IT IN THE COCKPIT... I SAIL SHORT HANDED ALOT (ME AND THE WIFE) AND IT MAKES THINGS EASIER IF I HAVE TO BE ON DECK AND SHE HAS TO ADJUST THE MAINSHEET. I HAVE A 5:1 SET UP AND I CAN STEER AND TRIM WHILE SHE HANDLES THE JIB SHEETS. WHEN I GOT THE BOAT IT WAS ON THE CABIN TOP BUT IT MADE IT TOUGH TO TRIM WITHOUT A SELF TAILING WINCH AND SOME MUSCLE, AND EVEN AFTER I ADDED THE SELF TENDING WINCH I STILL WASN'T HAPPY I RACE THE BOAT EVERY NOW AND THEN AND IT MAKES IT EASY FOR THE CREW TO STAND IN THE COMPANION WAY AND TRIM THE MAIN. I HAVE A SNAP SHACKLE ON THE BOTTOM BLOCK SO I CAN MOVE THE MAINSHEET TO THE RAIL WHEN ANCHORED IF NECESSARY... JUST ONE MANS OPINION
Here is one example..
Below is the link to my traveler setup in the photo forum. It was moved there by the PO. The PO had used the original traveler and I upgraded it to a Garhauer. As you proposed, I would not leave the center section of the traveler unsupported as tension/load from the sheet will flex and bow the traveler, unless it is attached to a mounting bracket similar to mine.
Below is the link to my traveler setup in the photo forum. It was moved there by the PO. The PO had used the original traveler and I upgraded it to a Garhauer. As you proposed, I would not leave the center section of the traveler unsupported as tension/load from the sheet will flex and bow the traveler, unless it is attached to a mounting bracket similar to mine.
Me too, Chet
I had a rigger modify my mainsheet tackle to make room for a dodger, but he recommended against moving the traveler. In his opinion, the boat was designed with the traveler inside the cockpit, and the boom is best controlled from that position. That said, lots of people have made the change and I have heard no bad reports. The only change we made was to move the connection one bale back toward the end of the boom. It works for me. Sanders
I had a rigger modify my mainsheet tackle to make room for a dodger, but he recommended against moving the traveler. In his opinion, the boat was designed with the traveler inside the cockpit, and the boom is best controlled from that position. That said, lots of people have made the change and I have heard no bad reports. The only change we made was to move the connection one bale back toward the end of the boom. It works for me. Sanders
Original Track
Richard - re the PO's installation of the original traveler track: Was it supported over the companionway? If so did it flex? Straight or curved? Any photos? Thanks
Richard - re the PO's installation of the original traveler track: Was it supported over the companionway? If so did it flex? Straight or curved? Any photos? Thanks
Original PO's traveler...
Sandpiper, the PO's installation of the original traveler is the same as mine, all I did is replace the traveler by a Garhauer. Yes, there is a slight curve (minimal) to the traveler installation. The mounting bracket is made of anodized aluminum and is very rigid, there is no apparent deflection of the traveler under load from the main sheet. I am very pleased with the performance of the present main sheet rigging and do not see any disadvantage to the original location in the cockpit. The pics on the photofurum and in the link provided in my previous response are of my present installation. The center section is not attached to the cabin top.
Sandpiper, the PO's installation of the original traveler is the same as mine, all I did is replace the traveler by a Garhauer. Yes, there is a slight curve (minimal) to the traveler installation. The mounting bracket is made of anodized aluminum and is very rigid, there is no apparent deflection of the traveler under load from the main sheet. I am very pleased with the performance of the present main sheet rigging and do not see any disadvantage to the original location in the cockpit. The pics on the photofurum and in the link provided in my previous response are of my present installation. The center section is not attached to the cabin top.
Thanks
Thanks, Richard: You have a lovely installation - one to which I aspire. I think for this season I will buy the parts and try a double mainsheet system with snapshackles on the toerail. I have never tried this system before but those who have it seem to like it a lot. If I don't like it then I can always add the traveler next season when hopefully there will be a little extra money! Life is full of compromises!
Thanks, Richard: You have a lovely installation - one to which I aspire. I think for this season I will buy the parts and try a double mainsheet system with snapshackles on the toerail. I have never tried this system before but those who have it seem to like it a lot. If I don't like it then I can always add the traveler next season when hopefully there will be a little extra money! Life is full of compromises!
John, check the link for the self tailer thing
I had then om my halyard winches and took them off
I had then om my halyard winches and took them off
This is interesting,
my 1984 has the cabin top setup, I dont really like it very much. I do need to upgrade it for sure but. my main sheet is terminated on the deck on the portside of the companionway, then let thru the blocks and thru a block on the starboard side of the compainway. then back thru a stopper to the cockpit. I dont like it too much. Hard if your shorthanded, everything runs thru the dodger when thats in place, Not much leverage on the main, the cockpit version i think i would like more. The later 37c,s have a travler track molded into the deck so the entire track is supported its entire length. Moving the track with the old hardware will make it much harder to pull in the main in a blow and harder to pull car uphill with the control lines, because you have to pull 90-degres, Back instead of straight. I like to adjust the travler, and its a pain it the patoot!! good luck.
my 1984 has the cabin top setup, I dont really like it very much. I do need to upgrade it for sure but. my main sheet is terminated on the deck on the portside of the companionway, then let thru the blocks and thru a block on the starboard side of the compainway. then back thru a stopper to the cockpit. I dont like it too much. Hard if your shorthanded, everything runs thru the dodger when thats in place, Not much leverage on the main, the cockpit version i think i would like more. The later 37c,s have a travler track molded into the deck so the entire track is supported its entire length. Moving the track with the old hardware will make it much harder to pull in the main in a blow and harder to pull car uphill with the control lines, because you have to pull 90-degres, Back instead of straight. I like to adjust the travler, and its a pain it the patoot!! good luck.
self tailer things
Tampa Ed - sounds like you never had a traveller - just a mainsheet tackle led to each side of the coachroof. For short handed sailing I very much like the cockpit traveller. However, I plan on chartering her in the great lakes and that setup is a no-go. If I don't like the double mainsheet system, I can convert next year. The blue donut on the winch in the photo is by Wichard. I had them on the primaries on my 33 and loved them. I really don't think haliards are the correct application for them as they do not really self tail.
Tampa Ed - sounds like you never had a traveller - just a mainsheet tackle led to each side of the coachroof. For short handed sailing I very much like the cockpit traveller. However, I plan on chartering her in the great lakes and that setup is a no-go. If I don't like the double mainsheet system, I can convert next year. The blue donut on the winch in the photo is by Wichard. I had them on the primaries on my 33 and loved them. I really don't think haliards are the correct application for them as they do not really self tail.
Traveler dilemma.
Actually "Tampa Ed" does have a traveler on the coach roof. That was standard on later years, beginning in 1982 I think. But "Huron Ed" lives with the '79 original on the bridgedeck. And he has no plans to move it. There are two disadvantages to the bridgedeck. One is for those who like to rest against the bulkhead. My wife liked to read with her back there and watch me work. She would move when I had to tack. But on Lake Erie you can go a long way without tacking. The other problem is not being able to cover the cockpit, always having that gap between the bimini and the dodger(except when not sailing). Since I almost always have the dodger folded down that has not been an issue(usually). But the one advantage outweighs all of that in my mind. When I bought the boat I purchased new Garhaurer fiddle blocks, one with a cam cleat. All of that mainsheet stuff with going forward under the boom, down through a block, back through an organizer to a winch was removed. All is right at hand and the sheet can go to a primary winch if I am really under load. I have a snap shackle at the connection to the traveler car. Makes it easy to move the boom to the toerail when in port. A nice, inexpensive, improvement. The only other improvement that I will someday make is to replace the traveler with an adjustable one. An obvious requirement for fine trimming.
Actually "Tampa Ed" does have a traveler on the coach roof. That was standard on later years, beginning in 1982 I think. But "Huron Ed" lives with the '79 original on the bridgedeck. And he has no plans to move it. There are two disadvantages to the bridgedeck. One is for those who like to rest against the bulkhead. My wife liked to read with her back there and watch me work. She would move when I had to tack. But on Lake Erie you can go a long way without tacking. The other problem is not being able to cover the cockpit, always having that gap between the bimini and the dodger(except when not sailing). Since I almost always have the dodger folded down that has not been an issue(usually). But the one advantage outweighs all of that in my mind. When I bought the boat I purchased new Garhaurer fiddle blocks, one with a cam cleat. All of that mainsheet stuff with going forward under the boom, down through a block, back through an organizer to a winch was removed. All is right at hand and the sheet can go to a primary winch if I am really under load. I have a snap shackle at the connection to the traveler car. Makes it easy to move the boom to the toerail when in port. A nice, inexpensive, improvement. The only other improvement that I will someday make is to replace the traveler with an adjustable one. An obvious requirement for fine trimming.
No Sandpiper--
I do have a traveler on the coach roof. The sheet starts from the deck left of the hatch and when it leave the lower block the last time it goes to a turning block on the starboard side of the hatch then to stopper. It is an original setup. The boat came that way. ED A
I do have a traveler on the coach roof. The sheet starts from the deck left of the hatch and when it leave the lower block the last time it goes to a turning block on the starboard side of the hatch then to stopper. It is an original setup. The boat came that way. ED A
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