is it possible to convert the staysail to a roller furling and still keep the self tending boom. I thought i had seen soom pictures in the forum of this done but have not been able to find them.
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37C staysail question
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You are right Don, there were pictures and probably still are somewhere. During the SBO software upgrade a few did not make the transition. I'll look.
I have seen one done but would be hard pressed to describe it in detail. Obviously the furling drum with boom attachment is key. Then a loose footed sail with a line from the clew through a block at the boom end to unfurl. And a new line back from the drum for furling. I guess the sheet setup for boom control could remain the same.
Too much for me since I so seldom use the staysail.
I have seen one done but would be hard pressed to describe it in detail. Obviously the furling drum with boom attachment is key. Then a loose footed sail with a line from the clew through a block at the boom end to unfurl. And a new line back from the drum for furling. I guess the sheet setup for boom control could remain the same.
Too much for me since I so seldom use the staysail.
Here is where we saw it Don: http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=230906 . This is one of the things that happened during the transition, some pictures were dropped. You could e-mail Alan to get the scoop if he doesn't see this.
Don: Check out the Harken site. They have many examples. If I think about it, I will try to snap a couple of photos of a H'30 with a jib boom & roller furling. There are also ways to do it and get rid of the boom (ouch).
I owned Valhalla for several years and I did put the roller furller on the staysail. It worked great. I took the boat to Bermuda twice and fell in love with the staysail furler. My e mail is alanwjohnson at optonline.net Send me your address and I will look for the original pics.
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37C roller-furling inner stays'l issues
Remember you will need a topping lift for the aft end of the staysail boom-- if you are not so equipped now. I think it is an excellent idea to make this and the outer jib both roller-furling... as I recommended on the new Cherubini 44s. In fact I would consider making the inner one lap over the main a little, like a smaller 110-115%. It sets up the 'slot' between the jibs a little better and covers area a higher-cut 'Yankee'-type outer jib wouldn't.
The boom topping lift could be a fixed wire; but then there is the issue of trimming and storing it. I would recommended a 5/16" or 3/8" line from an eye up the mast and going in the end of the boom to get cleated on the side forward. It should be long enough to let the boom rest on the deck and remain tailed at the cleat; and it should enable you to pull the boom WAY up like a boom on a trawler. Such a length would let you use it to launch dinghies or life rafts and to retrieve groceries and people overboard. With an exit plate well forward on the boom it could conceivably be led aft through a block to a winch for this sort of work.
With the sail rolled up, not merely furled on the boom, you have these options.
Remember you will need a topping lift for the aft end of the staysail boom-- if you are not so equipped now. I think it is an excellent idea to make this and the outer jib both roller-furling... as I recommended on the new Cherubini 44s. In fact I would consider making the inner one lap over the main a little, like a smaller 110-115%. It sets up the 'slot' between the jibs a little better and covers area a higher-cut 'Yankee'-type outer jib wouldn't.
The boom topping lift could be a fixed wire; but then there is the issue of trimming and storing it. I would recommended a 5/16" or 3/8" line from an eye up the mast and going in the end of the boom to get cleated on the side forward. It should be long enough to let the boom rest on the deck and remain tailed at the cleat; and it should enable you to pull the boom WAY up like a boom on a trawler. Such a length would let you use it to launch dinghies or life rafts and to retrieve groceries and people overboard. With an exit plate well forward on the boom it could conceivably be led aft through a block to a winch for this sort of work.
With the sail rolled up, not merely furled on the boom, you have these options.
thank you for all of your input, it really helps. i am at our boat this weekend and willl be taking some pictures of the setup i currently have. Allan, i will e-mail you separatly and if you could find any of your photo's, it would love to see them (do yo still own your boat ?)
On another note, the new dodger and bimini and sail cover have been installed and look great !!
Also recieved my 2 new 130 watt solar panels and will be installing them to the arch this weekend.
The new floor is almost done, but i have to say im really starting to like the way i have so much room down below with the table removed. It will be hard to get used to having it back.
thanks again
Don lawrence
On another note, the new dodger and bimini and sail cover have been installed and look great !!
Also recieved my 2 new 130 watt solar panels and will be installing them to the arch this weekend.
The new floor is almost done, but i have to say im really starting to like the way i have so much room down below with the table removed. It will be hard to get used to having it back.
thanks again
Don lawrence
And Don, we will expect pictures from you as well. Would like to see your new canvas and especially your solar panel setup.
I have been following this thread because I have always wanted a furling staysail. I want to add a forestay and remove the solid-rod furler. Then a new furler and move the old one to the mid-stay. It might not be possible to use the old Hyde Streamstay for the staysail though.
The boat originally had a topping lift that attached right below the mid-stay. It was gone when I bought the boat. Now I use a line from the whisker pole ring. But it does not provide any adjustment. Using the spinnaker halyard would allow you to get the boom higher. I'm not sure you can use the boom as JC2 suggests. It is kind of short and close to the deck.
I have been following this thread because I have always wanted a furling staysail. I want to add a forestay and remove the solid-rod furler. Then a new furler and move the old one to the mid-stay. It might not be possible to use the old Hyde Streamstay for the staysail though.
The boat originally had a topping lift that attached right below the mid-stay. It was gone when I bought the boat. Now I use a line from the whisker pole ring. But it does not provide any adjustment. Using the spinnaker halyard would allow you to get the boom higher. I'm not sure you can use the boom as JC2 suggests. It is kind of short and close to the deck.
Don,
As far as the table. I felt the same way. What I did was remove the standard table and build a shadow box frame on the bulkhead next to the mast. It is made out of 1x6 lumber with shelves to hold the supply of wine and other spirits. Then I took the existing table top and put it on the shadow box as a cover with a hinge in the middle so the table top would fold out and open up to almost full size. Then I attached some customized slide hardware to the table top and 2 folding legs so I can either close in the shadow box or open up the table when we want to use it. When I get a chance if you are interested I will send you some pictures.
Joel
ED Shenck.s memory must be going, My last boat the 37c had a roller furling headstay and Staysail. this takes a bit of conversion to earlier models. The staysail boom is removed form the stay and remounted to an aluminum piller on the deck behind the stay. this is about 6" diameter aluminum post flush mounted to the deck. with a bolt in the top. The bolt provides an attachment point for the boom, this works pretty well but its a bit harder to get the boom out of the way of the hatch when you want it open. the roller furler is installed with controll line run to the cockpit. This set up then requires an outhaul on the boom end to pull the sail out. It must be run forward on the staysail boom then turned and run aft to the cockpit. The next thing you will need is the sheet line that controlls the boom run aft. this is a little tricky to allow for the travler. mine had a roller bearing traveler so controls for that must be concidered.
The boom is about 8" shorter on the front end to allow room for the furler gear.
It works ok. Lots of turns in the outhaul and sheets make it still to operate so use good blocks.
That all being said i dont thing the juice is worth the squeeze. It it a lot of gear and expence to go thru. if you left the sail in a bag on the boom you could run the halyard back, put velcro pop open bag on it and save a bunch of bucks.
Could not resist giving Ed S a shot, hes been on the boat!
The boom is about 8" shorter on the front end to allow room for the furler gear.
It works ok. Lots of turns in the outhaul and sheets make it still to operate so use good blocks.
That all being said i dont thing the juice is worth the squeeze. It it a lot of gear and expence to go thru. if you left the sail in a bag on the boom you could run the halyard back, put velcro pop open bag on it and save a bunch of bucks.
Could not resist giving Ed S a shot, hes been on the boat!
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Crap, I sailed my Highlander for three hours today and can't tell you the color of the mainsheet. And I am supposed to remember Ed's furling staysail? There are things on my own H37C that I don't remember too. But I appreciate Ed A's analysis, I'll keep the staysail hanked on. It really is not that much trouble to uncover and fly.
Ed A., thanks for the info. The "post" for the boom is something new. I don't suppose you would have any photos of your set up ?
There is a H37C in the owners photos called "Seazure" that looks from the picture that it has a roller furling on it.
There is a H37C in the owners photos called "Seazure" that looks from the picture that it has a roller furling on it.
I recently visited a cutter rigged Island Packet (about 40 ft.). The staysail was on a furler and they used a Hoyt boom. Very elegant setup. Perhaps you could find details on the I.P. website.
Since you don't have (or didn't last time I saw your boat) a staysail boom, then why not forgo the boom and just set it up like an ordinary furling jib? Yes you have an extra sheet to tack but you also get a lot of advantages.
Since you don't have (or didn't last time I saw your boat) a staysail boom, then why not forgo the boom and just set it up like an ordinary furling jib? Yes you have an extra sheet to tack but you also get a lot of advantages.
I am wondering if maybe i am doing something different when i tack in light to moderate winds that is helping the yankee headsail to get caught on the staysail forstay. This is of course with the staysail not hoisted.
Another question i am having is: "is the boat designed to perform at its best with all the sails hoisted in light to moderate conditions". I have seen coments from other owners that they fly the headsail and main in all but heavy air, never hoisting the staysail until they furl the headsail. I find that tacking with the staysail raised and full headsail to go so much smoother.
Any comments would be welcome.
don
Another question i am having is: "is the boat designed to perform at its best with all the sails hoisted in light to moderate conditions". I have seen coments from other owners that they fly the headsail and main in all but heavy air, never hoisting the staysail until they furl the headsail. I find that tacking with the staysail raised and full headsail to go so much smoother.
Any comments would be welcome.
don
Tacking the yankee has been an issue with some owners. I wonder what I am doing differently as I have never had the problem. My yankee is oversized and the sheets are secured with two large bowlines. Is it because I always backwind the foresail when I tack? The wind has to be almost non-existent for my yankee to hang on the mid-stay. I do avoid a gybe if at all possible. I don't think the staysail affects my tacks.
Thanks Ed, backwinding may be what i have to do or continue to hoist my staysail so the headsail doesnt get blown into the space between the mast and mid stay.
By the way, we have removed the origanal seaward stove from the boat and are looking for an propane one that will fit the same cavity. If you know of anyone who can use the old one for parts or recondisioning its theres .
don
By the way, we have removed the origanal seaward stove from the boat and are looking for an propane one that will fit the same cavity. If you know of anyone who can use the old one for parts or recondisioning its theres .
don
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