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35.5 batten lengths
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You are probably going have to measure .....
Batten lengths are not that 'standard' ... not even on 'stock' sails. There is always 'some' dimensional tolerance on batten packets .... especially if you are 'compressing' them into to pockets to get get more fullness, etc. out of the sail. Best is to measure the battens/pockets.
Batten lengths are not that 'standard' ... not even on 'stock' sails. There is always 'some' dimensional tolerance on batten packets .... especially if you are 'compressing' them into to pockets to get get more fullness, etc. out of the sail. Best is to measure the battens/pockets.
35.5 battens
Thanks RichH. I am aware of what you replied. I am looking for an approximate measurement - if someone should have it - and then I can trim as necessary for my specific boat. Whatever measurement I get I will add 6" to in order to be sure that the length is not too short. Do we know each other? I was in Worton Creek at Green Point for two years - 2000- 2002. The boat is Flying Colors.
Thanks RichH. I am aware of what you replied. I am looking for an approximate measurement - if someone should have it - and then I can trim as necessary for my specific boat. Whatever measurement I get I will add 6" to in order to be sure that the length is not too short. Do we know each other? I was in Worton Creek at Green Point for two years - 2000- 2002. The boat is Flying Colors.
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Sent my sails to Sailcare last year and when the sail came back the battens wouldn't fit, each anywhere from 2-4 inches too long. Sailcare did an awesome job on cleaning and repairing but the sail shrunk a little. Best bet is to wait til you can get to the boat and measure them.
Sent my sails to Sailcare last year and when the sail came back the battens wouldn't fit, each anywhere from 2-4 inches too long. Sailcare did an awesome job on cleaning and repairing but the sail shrunk a little. Best bet is to wait til you can get to the boat and measure them.
35.5 battens - Sail Care
I had the same experience with Sail Care. I loved the job they did and expected some shrinkage. I decided that the sail shape was very good and in order to get that "new" sail look and feel I was willing to live with the shrinkage. I did have to trim a few inches off the battens. I'm sure that the sail's life has been extended considerably. The following year I had the jib cleaned also. Jerry at Sail Care is a terrific guy and will go out of his way to do all he can to work with you. I intend to have the sail cleaned again in another year or two with Sail Care.
I had the same experience with Sail Care. I loved the job they did and expected some shrinkage. I decided that the sail shape was very good and in order to get that "new" sail look and feel I was willing to live with the shrinkage. I did have to trim a few inches off the battens. I'm sure that the sail's life has been extended considerably. The following year I had the jib cleaned also. Jerry at Sail Care is a terrific guy and will go out of his way to do all he can to work with you. I intend to have the sail cleaned again in another year or two with Sail Care.
Batten Length
Pat To answer or at least to get you near the proper lengths the following is the lengths of my battens for my 1989 35.5. Bottom 145" with a width of 1 9/16" Next 119" " " " " 1 9/16" Uppers 84.5" " " " " 1 5/16" Top 45.5" " " " " 1 5/16" As you see the widths are all not the same so take care. I also noted that the top two battens are not cut at 90 deg but are cut at a angle to match the sail.
Pat To answer or at least to get you near the proper lengths the following is the lengths of my battens for my 1989 35.5. Bottom 145" with a width of 1 9/16" Next 119" " " " " 1 9/16" Uppers 84.5" " " " " 1 5/16" Top 45.5" " " " " 1 5/16" As you see the widths are all not the same so take care. I also noted that the top two battens are not cut at 90 deg but are cut at a angle to match the sail.
Legend 35.5 battens -
Thanks Blight. Close enough. Surprised at the various widths. I want to go with all 1" battens for weight and less friction on the detchman as wellas the strong track I installed last year.
Thanks Blight. Close enough. Surprised at the various widths. I want to go with all 1" battens for weight and less friction on the detchman as wellas the strong track I installed last year.
Strongtrack
Pat What do you think about the Strongtrack operation combined with the Dutchman system? I understand that most of us that own this great model have a hard time raising the main during the last few feet. I personally think that it might be due to the bow that we have in the mast. I already have installed the Dutchman which I like very much over the lazy jack system since it usually stacks the sail correctly almost every time.
Pat What do you think about the Strongtrack operation combined with the Dutchman system? I understand that most of us that own this great model have a hard time raising the main during the last few feet. I personally think that it might be due to the bow that we have in the mast. I already have installed the Dutchman which I like very much over the lazy jack system since it usually stacks the sail correctly almost every time.
35.5 battens - strong rack
Blight. I think that the dutchman is a good system if you are willing to make the necessary modifications to the main. However, it is a very tempermantal system in that it must be exactly set up in order to work properly. You must be certain the monofilliment lines are parallel , otherwise excessive friction will be induced. Also you may have to experment with the topping lift tension upon lowering the sail. The system requires a taught topping lift, however it may be better to have the topping lift slightly slack. You will have to try various setttings. My Legend came factory equipped with the Dutchman but it should have a third mono line as the back of the sail tends to spill off the boom. All things considered I like the Dutchman system. When you introduce the Strong Track into the mix there are even more variables. I installed Strong Track last winter and spent an entire season with it. I was a bit dissappointed in the performance. Come to find out, as you mentioned, the Legend seems to present some difficulties which may be due to mast bend (I have a lot), or the huge full battened main, or the dutchman, or even worn mast sheaves. I went through all of this with Jerry at Sail Care because I found that I had to go forward to pull the last 3 or 4 sail slids down by hand - unless the wind was calm, in which case the sail would come down beautifully, the way it was supposed to. Jerry took my main and made some adjustments (if you want more details you can contact me by email). I will see how things improve, if at all, during the comming season. If there is no improvement I would have to say that the system is not worth the $ even though there is general improvement over not having the Strong Track system. If I find that there is impovement, as I think and hope there will be, based on what Jerry did to the sail, then I would say it is well worth the expense. Time will tell.
Blight. I think that the dutchman is a good system if you are willing to make the necessary modifications to the main. However, it is a very tempermantal system in that it must be exactly set up in order to work properly. You must be certain the monofilliment lines are parallel , otherwise excessive friction will be induced. Also you may have to experment with the topping lift tension upon lowering the sail. The system requires a taught topping lift, however it may be better to have the topping lift slightly slack. You will have to try various setttings. My Legend came factory equipped with the Dutchman but it should have a third mono line as the back of the sail tends to spill off the boom. All things considered I like the Dutchman system. When you introduce the Strong Track into the mix there are even more variables. I installed Strong Track last winter and spent an entire season with it. I was a bit dissappointed in the performance. Come to find out, as you mentioned, the Legend seems to present some difficulties which may be due to mast bend (I have a lot), or the huge full battened main, or the dutchman, or even worn mast sheaves. I went through all of this with Jerry at Sail Care because I found that I had to go forward to pull the last 3 or 4 sail slids down by hand - unless the wind was calm, in which case the sail would come down beautifully, the way it was supposed to. Jerry took my main and made some adjustments (if you want more details you can contact me by email). I will see how things improve, if at all, during the comming season. If there is no improvement I would have to say that the system is not worth the $ even though there is general improvement over not having the Strong Track system. If I find that there is impovement, as I think and hope there will be, based on what Jerry did to the sail, then I would say it is well worth the expense. Time will tell.
Strongtrack???
What is it and how does it work? Pat, mast bend or bow is determined by the luff curve of your main. Mast bend in no way affects the ease with which your main is raised or lowered. I carry about 8" of mast bend and about 17" in mast rake on my rig. My main is raised and lowered with ease without any resistance at the top of the hoist. One thing you should consider is decreasing the size of your main halyard. The stock 7/16" double braid halyard imparts far too much turning friction as the main is hoisted. I have downsized to a 3/8" spectra halyard and a 12 year old girl has no difficulty raising my main all the way without any assistance.
What is it and how does it work? Pat, mast bend or bow is determined by the luff curve of your main. Mast bend in no way affects the ease with which your main is raised or lowered. I carry about 8" of mast bend and about 17" in mast rake on my rig. My main is raised and lowered with ease without any resistance at the top of the hoist. One thing you should consider is decreasing the size of your main halyard. The stock 7/16" double braid halyard imparts far too much turning friction as the main is hoisted. I have downsized to a 3/8" spectra halyard and a 12 year old girl has no difficulty raising my main all the way without any assistance.
Strong Track - 35.5 battens
Alan, I agree with what you said about mast bend. I came to an early conclusion that bend was not the problem. Nor was it worn sheaves or the battens causing friction. My difficulty may have to do with a 3/8" veriance in standoff measurement between the new Strong Track batten fittings and the sails existing webbing for the remaining slids. I installed the system myself and did not catch the difference in measurement. Jerry, at Sail Care discoverd the problem when I sent the sail to him for inspection. HOPEFULLY (?) it induced enough friction to cause the difficulties with lowering the sail in all but calm conditions. I'll find out this season. Your suggestion about downsizing the main halyard is one to consider as the stock halyard is seemingly too large. The Strong Track system consists of three components: a sail track, polished stainless sail slides and batten fittings/slids. The track is a continous super slick slotted extrusion made of some space age plastic slipery stuff that is installed into your existing mast track quite easily by the boat owner with the aid of soap & water. It has an integral gate and is secured with a screw driven into the base of the track & mast to prevent it from sliding down the mast. The sail slides are highly polished stainless that attach to the main with a type of clevis pin arrangement and slide webbing (which has to be installed by a sailmaker if your boat does not already have the webbing.) The batten fittings are articulating sail slides of an obviously different configuration to accept the ends of the full length battens. The object is to eliminate friction so that the sail will raise and lower with ease, hopefully eliminating the need to go forward and pull it down in rough conditions. Much like the Batcar system but much less expensive. You can go online to www.sailcare.com to check it out. They are at the Annapolis show every year. If your sail is easily raised and lowered as you say it is then forget all about everything I just said. In your situation you have no need for anything.
Alan, I agree with what you said about mast bend. I came to an early conclusion that bend was not the problem. Nor was it worn sheaves or the battens causing friction. My difficulty may have to do with a 3/8" veriance in standoff measurement between the new Strong Track batten fittings and the sails existing webbing for the remaining slids. I installed the system myself and did not catch the difference in measurement. Jerry, at Sail Care discoverd the problem when I sent the sail to him for inspection. HOPEFULLY (?) it induced enough friction to cause the difficulties with lowering the sail in all but calm conditions. I'll find out this season. Your suggestion about downsizing the main halyard is one to consider as the stock halyard is seemingly too large. The Strong Track system consists of three components: a sail track, polished stainless sail slides and batten fittings/slids. The track is a continous super slick slotted extrusion made of some space age plastic slipery stuff that is installed into your existing mast track quite easily by the boat owner with the aid of soap & water. It has an integral gate and is secured with a screw driven into the base of the track & mast to prevent it from sliding down the mast. The sail slides are highly polished stainless that attach to the main with a type of clevis pin arrangement and slide webbing (which has to be installed by a sailmaker if your boat does not already have the webbing.) The batten fittings are articulating sail slides of an obviously different configuration to accept the ends of the full length battens. The object is to eliminate friction so that the sail will raise and lower with ease, hopefully eliminating the need to go forward and pull it down in rough conditions. Much like the Batcar system but much less expensive. You can go online to www.sailcare.com to check it out. They are at the Annapolis show every year. If your sail is easily raised and lowered as you say it is then forget all about everything I just said. In your situation you have no need for anything.
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