Hello, Finally going to make the plunge with getting a second reef point in my Hunter 240 mainsail. Can someone help me and give me advice on what ridged boom vang (brand, model, where to get etc) they might suggest. I plan to use a rigid boom vang and thus free up the topping lift to be used as the outhaul for the second reef point. Also would appreciate suggestions on where to locate the second reef point. Many thanks for your help. Daniel
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Tom Hultberg
Rigid vang...
I've bought Garhaur for my last two boats. They are priced right, easy to install and never mess up. As for the 2nd reef point, I had one put in my H26 sail last year and have never used it. I can stay out in winds up to 25 knots and still maintain control with one reef and a partially furled jib. Much more than that and I would'nt want to be out there. Good luck.
I've bought Garhaur for my last two boats. They are priced right, easy to install and never mess up. As for the 2nd reef point, I had one put in my H26 sail last year and have never used it. I can stay out in winds up to 25 knots and still maintain control with one reef and a partially furled jib. Much more than that and I would'nt want to be out there. Good luck.
Sailmaker can determine reef point.
Daniel: When you take your sail to the sail maker, they will be able to help you with the reef point placement. I also have a Garhauer rigid vang. You may be better off with something like the Boom Kicker or one of other smaller/lighter vangs. I am a little (actually very) confused. How are you going to use the topping lift for the main sail outhaul? When you reef, don't you just loosen the halyard and drop you sail to the first reef point. Secure the reef and raise your main halyard again? In this scenario the outhaul on the main was left in it's original position. The sail is now been reefed and you are ready to go. You may have a completely different type of reefing than I am use to so this may be the confusion.
Daniel: When you take your sail to the sail maker, they will be able to help you with the reef point placement. I also have a Garhauer rigid vang. You may be better off with something like the Boom Kicker or one of other smaller/lighter vangs. I am a little (actually very) confused. How are you going to use the topping lift for the main sail outhaul? When you reef, don't you just loosen the halyard and drop you sail to the first reef point. Secure the reef and raise your main halyard again? In this scenario the outhaul on the main was left in it's original position. The sail is now been reefed and you are ready to go. You may have a completely different type of reefing than I am use to so this may be the confusion.
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Ray Bowles
Steve, On my H26 boom the port side line exits
the boom to the topping lift line with a connector about 18" above the boom. After raising the main the topping lift line is released at the gooseneck and the boom drops into the running position. By removing this function then the line can be converted into the aft portion of the upper reefing system. Daniel, You might want to look into mounting an additional under boom hooking eye so as to be able to attach your second reefing line in the proper boom position so it can also function as the outhaul. This was something I needed to do on my 26 rather than remove the first reef line for the second. Enjoy your new heavy weather Hunter. Ray S/V Speedy
the boom to the topping lift line with a connector about 18" above the boom. After raising the main the topping lift line is released at the gooseneck and the boom drops into the running position. By removing this function then the line can be converted into the aft portion of the upper reefing system. Daniel, You might want to look into mounting an additional under boom hooking eye so as to be able to attach your second reefing line in the proper boom position so it can also function as the outhaul. This was something I needed to do on my 26 rather than remove the first reef line for the second. Enjoy your new heavy weather Hunter. Ray S/V Speedy
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Daniel
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Thanks for the response to all. To answere your inquire...... when I put in the first reef (only reef point now) I lower the mainsail, use the reef outhaul to tighten the bottom edge of the reefed sail. The reef outhaul is located in the boom, on the starboard side. I then will tie up and secure the mainsail with the two tiedowns located within the mainsail itself. Then I would raise the mainsail on the mast to make it tight. To do a second reef point, you would need another reef outhaul to tighten the new botton edge of the mainsain as well as two new tiedowns installed in the mainsail to secure the excess mainsail on the boom. The eaisist way I see is to use the topping lift line which currently runs in the boom and out the port side, and if I have a riged boom vang, then I can use this line as the second reef outhaul. Still not sure which size to get for the H240 though. Daniel
Thanks for the response to all. To answere your inquire...... when I put in the first reef (only reef point now) I lower the mainsail, use the reef outhaul to tighten the bottom edge of the reefed sail. The reef outhaul is located in the boom, on the starboard side. I then will tie up and secure the mainsail with the two tiedowns located within the mainsail itself. Then I would raise the mainsail on the mast to make it tight. To do a second reef point, you would need another reef outhaul to tighten the new botton edge of the mainsain as well as two new tiedowns installed in the mainsail to secure the excess mainsail on the boom. The eaisist way I see is to use the topping lift line which currently runs in the boom and out the port side, and if I have a riged boom vang, then I can use this line as the second reef outhaul. Still not sure which size to get for the H240 though. Daniel
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Doug T.
Right reef size
The goal when reefing is to reduce the amount of sail area and to lower the center of effort. The forces on the sail increase at the square of the wind velocity. If you go from 15 to 30 knots of wind, to keep the same forces on the sails, you'd need to reduce the sail area to 1/4 of what it was before (75% reduction). That's a big reef! But when you reef, you're not just decreasing sail area, you're also lowering the center of effort and less righting arm is needed to overcome the wind forces. Therefore you don't really need to reduce the sail area by 75% to get the desired effect (double wind speed, same degree of heel). A sailmaker can do the calculations for you if you really, really care. I'd bet that most sailmakers just use rules of thumb, though. (e.g., reef points positioned a some percentage of the sail's luff).
The goal when reefing is to reduce the amount of sail area and to lower the center of effort. The forces on the sail increase at the square of the wind velocity. If you go from 15 to 30 knots of wind, to keep the same forces on the sails, you'd need to reduce the sail area to 1/4 of what it was before (75% reduction). That's a big reef! But when you reef, you're not just decreasing sail area, you're also lowering the center of effort and less righting arm is needed to overcome the wind forces. Therefore you don't really need to reduce the sail area by 75% to get the desired effect (double wind speed, same degree of heel). A sailmaker can do the calculations for you if you really, really care. I'd bet that most sailmakers just use rules of thumb, though. (e.g., reef points positioned a some percentage of the sail's luff).
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Tom
Did that on my h260...
Daniel, This is what I did just this year (exactly what you are planning): 1. Purchased a Garhauer rigid vang. Great product and service. Call Mark at 909-946-6194 with any questions or guidance for size and install. 2. Removed toping lift, and now use its in-boom control line as my out haul. This is the center of three lines that enter the end of the boom. 3. Replaced the old outhaul line with a new, longer line used as an added reef point (reef number 1). 4. Added a new reefing point to the sail, midway between foot and existing reef point provided by factory. I wanted an intermediate reef point. (Actually, Pope sail loft, in Maine, did the work -- (207) 596-7293.) 5. Added a pad eye on the boom for the new, lower reef point. Located a few inches aft of where the leech reefing point touches the boom. All works great. I love going top(ping-lift)less! Fair winds, Tom
Daniel, This is what I did just this year (exactly what you are planning): 1. Purchased a Garhauer rigid vang. Great product and service. Call Mark at 909-946-6194 with any questions or guidance for size and install. 2. Removed toping lift, and now use its in-boom control line as my out haul. This is the center of three lines that enter the end of the boom. 3. Replaced the old outhaul line with a new, longer line used as an added reef point (reef number 1). 4. Added a new reefing point to the sail, midway between foot and existing reef point provided by factory. I wanted an intermediate reef point. (Actually, Pope sail loft, in Maine, did the work -- (207) 596-7293.) 5. Added a pad eye on the boom for the new, lower reef point. Located a few inches aft of where the leech reefing point touches the boom. All works great. I love going top(ping-lift)less! Fair winds, Tom
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Daniel
Thanks Boston Tom
Your info really helped. I will try and find a local person to do the work on the sail and if not I will surly find someone in Racine or GreenBay....... both located on Lake Michagan. Regards, Daniel
Your info really helped. I will try and find a local person to do the work on the sail and if not I will surly find someone in Racine or GreenBay....... both located on Lake Michagan. Regards, Daniel
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