The Admiral talked me into upgrading to a H-36. Delivery in May. I had already signed up for a Mack Boring 3 day diesel class, originally for the 2GM20Y. What engine does the 2007 H-36 carry? Is 3YM30 correct?
2007 Hunter 36
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H36 Yanmar
Unless Hunter decided to go back to the old GM-series engines for 2007, it has the same newer YM-series Yanmar as the previous years - the 3YM30. After almost 400 hrs of trouble-free operating time, I love the one in my 05H36. Very low vibration and noise, and plenty of oomph with the factory 3-blade prop.
Unless Hunter decided to go back to the old GM-series engines for 2007, it has the same newer YM-series Yanmar as the previous years - the 3YM30. After almost 400 hrs of trouble-free operating time, I love the one in my 05H36. Very low vibration and noise, and plenty of oomph with the factory 3-blade prop.
Hey Broke Sailor - Congrats
Now we can have some real fun up on our part of the Potomac. When are you going to take delivery? What are you going to name it. Jim S/V Java
Now we can have some real fun up on our part of the Potomac. When are you going to take delivery? What are you going to name it. Jim S/V Java
Marcella B Lane
HI Bill! Yes I am psyched!! Won't get her till sometime in May. Maybe we can have a friendly Regatta down the Potomac. See you out there in the Spring!!
HI Bill! Yes I am psyched!! Won't get her till sometime in May. Maybe we can have a friendly Regatta down the Potomac. See you out there in the Spring!!
3-blade prop on H36
Seadaddler - As I'm sure you know, your top speed is not affected by 2- vs 3-blade prop (as long as the size and pitch are matched to the engine/gearbox RPM range). That's a function of DWL, and you can't stretch the boat. However, the 3-blade will give you more thrust/acceleration to get you to top speed faster. The effect is sort of like your car engine's torque vs its horsepower. More importantly for those of us who have to cross rough bars all the time, that added acceleration will allow you to more quickly/effectively respond to following seas trying broach you. And for those of us who have to back across strong river currents in marina fairways, the added thrust in reverse is very nice, indeed. Finally, a 3-blade generally results in less engine/transmission/shaft vibration than a 2-blade. The down side, of course, is quite a bit more drag when sailing with locked driveshaft. Fortunately, the KM-series transmission that comes on the 3YM30 as fitted out for the H36 is a cone-clutch design that is very tolerant of free-wheeling, unlike some of the plate-clutch transmissions, which will rapidly wear while free-wheeling. (If you look at the design, you can see why. When free-wheeling with stopped engine, the only moving part in the gearbox is the exit/drive shaft in its bearing, which is at the bottom of the transmission case, and in the oil. The higher/disconnected parts have to be lubricated by oil splash from the turning of the engine output shaft and driving gear. When you're free-wheeling they don't move, and don't need the oil.) You'll find a 0.5-kt speed increase (10% at 5kts) from the reduced drag of free-wheeling the 3-blade vs fixing it in reverse. (Unlike 2-blades, which actually show slightly less drag when fixed than when free-wheeling) After 3200nm, at this year's haul-out my cutlass bearing once again shows no wear from the practice. I think you'll be as pleased with this aspect of your new lady as you'll be with many other aspects of what I consider one of Hunter's best designs.
Seadaddler - As I'm sure you know, your top speed is not affected by 2- vs 3-blade prop (as long as the size and pitch are matched to the engine/gearbox RPM range). That's a function of DWL, and you can't stretch the boat. However, the 3-blade will give you more thrust/acceleration to get you to top speed faster. The effect is sort of like your car engine's torque vs its horsepower. More importantly for those of us who have to cross rough bars all the time, that added acceleration will allow you to more quickly/effectively respond to following seas trying broach you. And for those of us who have to back across strong river currents in marina fairways, the added thrust in reverse is very nice, indeed. Finally, a 3-blade generally results in less engine/transmission/shaft vibration than a 2-blade. The down side, of course, is quite a bit more drag when sailing with locked driveshaft. Fortunately, the KM-series transmission that comes on the 3YM30 as fitted out for the H36 is a cone-clutch design that is very tolerant of free-wheeling, unlike some of the plate-clutch transmissions, which will rapidly wear while free-wheeling. (If you look at the design, you can see why. When free-wheeling with stopped engine, the only moving part in the gearbox is the exit/drive shaft in its bearing, which is at the bottom of the transmission case, and in the oil. The higher/disconnected parts have to be lubricated by oil splash from the turning of the engine output shaft and driving gear. When you're free-wheeling they don't move, and don't need the oil.) You'll find a 0.5-kt speed increase (10% at 5kts) from the reduced drag of free-wheeling the 3-blade vs fixing it in reverse. (Unlike 2-blades, which actually show slightly less drag when fixed than when free-wheeling) After 3200nm, at this year's haul-out my cutlass bearing once again shows no wear from the practice. I think you'll be as pleased with this aspect of your new lady as you'll be with many other aspects of what I consider one of Hunter's best designs.
Seadaddler
Congrats on the 36 and many happy years with her. Did we formerly know you on the Forum as Nick Maggio, Long Island, anticipating Retirement, anticipating purchase of a 36 and possibly moving to Fort Myers/Charlotte Harbor, Fl. We have not heard from Nick of late and wonder if you are the same? Broke sailer, congrats as well to you. We demo sailed a 36 on Kerr Lake and were so enthusiatic we nearly bought one, but Crazy Dave made us a deal on the 38 that we could not pass up. Jim Seamans, have you heard lately from Crazy Dave? Give him a friendly call, he'll be glad you did, and you will also. We may venture into the Chessapeake this spring/summer from the Neuse and Pamlico. If we do we'll look for Java. We'll also be on the lookout for Tellico (Don Clark). Don did not move her to New Bern this winter,but kept her (I think) in Baltimore? Steve and Sheila Kamp Carolina, Hunter 38
Congrats on the 36 and many happy years with her. Did we formerly know you on the Forum as Nick Maggio, Long Island, anticipating Retirement, anticipating purchase of a 36 and possibly moving to Fort Myers/Charlotte Harbor, Fl. We have not heard from Nick of late and wonder if you are the same? Broke sailer, congrats as well to you. We demo sailed a 36 on Kerr Lake and were so enthusiatic we nearly bought one, but Crazy Dave made us a deal on the 38 that we could not pass up. Jim Seamans, have you heard lately from Crazy Dave? Give him a friendly call, he'll be glad you did, and you will also. We may venture into the Chessapeake this spring/summer from the Neuse and Pamlico. If we do we'll look for Java. We'll also be on the lookout for Tellico (Don Clark). Don did not move her to New Bern this winter,but kept her (I think) in Baltimore? Steve and Sheila Kamp Carolina, Hunter 38
Persephone
Hey Al: Where did you find all that tech data on the H-36, i.e. angle of vanishing stability, sinkage ratios, etc? I have been looking for a Pro review on the 36 from one of the Sailing Magazines but have not found one. I did read your post on improvements done to Persephone. Thanks Steve.
Hey Al: Where did you find all that tech data on the H-36, i.e. angle of vanishing stability, sinkage ratios, etc? I have been looking for a Pro review on the 36 from one of the Sailing Magazines but have not found one. I did read your post on improvements done to Persephone. Thanks Steve.
Hi Steve
Talked to Dave a couple of weeks ago. Still Crazy as ever. Steve are you going to come up to the Hunter rendenzous in late June? Wish the 38 was out when we bought the 356. We would have gotten the 38 instead. Joan really likes it but not enough to get her out of the 356. I tried to get her to move up to the 49 and she ask if I was Dave's brother - you know CRAZY. Hey Broke Sailor, you better get used to parking a house when you go into your slip with the 36. Jim S/V Java
Talked to Dave a couple of weeks ago. Still Crazy as ever. Steve are you going to come up to the Hunter rendenzous in late June? Wish the 38 was out when we bought the 356. We would have gotten the 38 instead. Joan really likes it but not enough to get her out of the 356. I tried to get her to move up to the 49 and she ask if I was Dave's brother - you know CRAZY. Hey Broke Sailor, you better get used to parking a house when you go into your slip with the 36. Jim S/V Java
Crazy Dave
Was at the Raleigh boat show last weekend and Crazy Dave is getting out of the Hunter business. They are picking up whats left of his stock on March 1. They were requiring him to carry the entire line and he couldn't keep up. Catalina's and used now I guess.
Was at the Raleigh boat show last weekend and Crazy Dave is getting out of the Hunter business. They are picking up whats left of his stock on March 1. They were requiring him to carry the entire line and he couldn't keep up. Catalina's and used now I guess.
BrokeSailor - H36 Technical Data
Steve - When I ordered Persephone I asked for the AVS and the sinkage rate data from Hunter, since I needed them to send me the sailmaker data package for Doyle to make my custom sail suite. An e-mail from Glen Henderson specified the sinkage at 1174lbs/inch (from which you can compute her waterline area as approximately 220sq-ft). He also attached a PDF of the computed H356 static stability curves, which shows the cross-over for a light-ship plus 150kg (in the cockpit, for crew) as 114 degrees with bulb-keel and 118 degrees with deep fin keel. The graph was labelled Hunter Marine Corporation CONFIDENTIAL, so I won't post it on the Internet. However, a quick computation of the areas under the positive and negative portions of the curves shows that it will take no more than one-third of the capsize energy to right her from an inverted position. Obviously, the AVS is marginal for transoceanic passaging. However, dynamic stability is a lot more complicated than static stability, and the inertia of a "heavy old-fashioned" Aluminum mast with a Radome on it and the roller-furled Genoa makes Persephone's responses to 4-to-6 ft chop on her beam while motoring very ladylike. I've had her in larger stuff, but only under sail and in deep water swells - not the shallow water chop that is really much more of a test without the wind to hold her heel angle. Clearly, this is not a hull design to allow to lie a-hull under bare poles in a storm. Making way under minimal sail, however, she can handle a lot more than I care to volunteer for. She'll heave-to well in sustained winds at least up to 30-35kts (my curent limit of experience with her). However, in winds gusting over a very large range, you must stay by the wheel to deal with any large changes in weather helm caused by the wide stern as each gust that substantially changes her heel angle comes and goes. She patiently adopts a very stable attitude when pinned over by a knock-down, and keeps a dry cockpit while waiting for you to let go the sheets. If you want a boat in which you can go hide below decks while she handles the storm by herself, this isn't it. However, if you're willing to sail her, she'll take very good care of you (in moderate gale conditions, by my experience, and probably a lot more). (My avatar photo was taken while beating through 3-to-5 triple-reefed in 25kts of wind. Note the flat sailing angle. This is not a tender boat.) I'm very comfortable with the H36 for sailing up and down the Gulf of Maine and in Massachusetts Bay. I've no experience sailing in Chesapeake Bay, but from what I've heard I suspect she'd do well there, too. Don't let Jim pull your leg about feeling like you're maneuvering a house. She'll steer as well stern-first as bow-first, and you'll be able to use prop-walk to spin her in place around her own keel. Of course, I don't suppose you'll be playing any "human fender" games with a 7 ton boat <g>. Good luck with your new lady - I think you'll like her.
Steve - When I ordered Persephone I asked for the AVS and the sinkage rate data from Hunter, since I needed them to send me the sailmaker data package for Doyle to make my custom sail suite. An e-mail from Glen Henderson specified the sinkage at 1174lbs/inch (from which you can compute her waterline area as approximately 220sq-ft). He also attached a PDF of the computed H356 static stability curves, which shows the cross-over for a light-ship plus 150kg (in the cockpit, for crew) as 114 degrees with bulb-keel and 118 degrees with deep fin keel. The graph was labelled Hunter Marine Corporation CONFIDENTIAL, so I won't post it on the Internet. However, a quick computation of the areas under the positive and negative portions of the curves shows that it will take no more than one-third of the capsize energy to right her from an inverted position. Obviously, the AVS is marginal for transoceanic passaging. However, dynamic stability is a lot more complicated than static stability, and the inertia of a "heavy old-fashioned" Aluminum mast with a Radome on it and the roller-furled Genoa makes Persephone's responses to 4-to-6 ft chop on her beam while motoring very ladylike. I've had her in larger stuff, but only under sail and in deep water swells - not the shallow water chop that is really much more of a test without the wind to hold her heel angle. Clearly, this is not a hull design to allow to lie a-hull under bare poles in a storm. Making way under minimal sail, however, she can handle a lot more than I care to volunteer for. She'll heave-to well in sustained winds at least up to 30-35kts (my curent limit of experience with her). However, in winds gusting over a very large range, you must stay by the wheel to deal with any large changes in weather helm caused by the wide stern as each gust that substantially changes her heel angle comes and goes. She patiently adopts a very stable attitude when pinned over by a knock-down, and keeps a dry cockpit while waiting for you to let go the sheets. If you want a boat in which you can go hide below decks while she handles the storm by herself, this isn't it. However, if you're willing to sail her, she'll take very good care of you (in moderate gale conditions, by my experience, and probably a lot more). (My avatar photo was taken while beating through 3-to-5 triple-reefed in 25kts of wind. Note the flat sailing angle. This is not a tender boat.) I'm very comfortable with the H36 for sailing up and down the Gulf of Maine and in Massachusetts Bay. I've no experience sailing in Chesapeake Bay, but from what I've heard I suspect she'd do well there, too. Don't let Jim pull your leg about feeling like you're maneuvering a house. She'll steer as well stern-first as bow-first, and you'll be able to use prop-walk to spin her in place around her own keel. Of course, I don't suppose you'll be playing any "human fender" games with a 7 ton boat <g>. Good luck with your new lady - I think you'll like her.
Steve Kamp
Where on the Neuse river NC are you,just wondering what's the sailing like up river. Before we decided to move to Florida we were looking at fairfield harbor in new bern but wife was not in love with it,had friends in wilmington. I thought it was kind of nice but seemed like a long trip out to the bay, one of my wifes co workers just moved there.
Where on the Neuse river NC are you,just wondering what's the sailing like up river. Before we decided to move to Florida we were looking at fairfield harbor in new bern but wife was not in love with it,had friends in wilmington. I thought it was kind of nice but seemed like a long trip out to the bay, one of my wifes co workers just moved there.
Thanks for thee pep talk Al!
Hey Bill: Maybe you can give me some free close quarter maneuvering lessons!
Hey Bill: Maybe you can give me some free close quarter maneuvering lessons!
Actually Al - I let Joan park the house...
I haven't had a bad experience letting her park.. This was our first boat that we keep in a marinia. Before this everything was on a trailer. As far as handling, We were out last Oct in a real blow at the mouth of the Potomac and Chesapeake. Taking 6ft steep chop and 33-35kts of quartering wind. No jib and about 7ft of main exposed. Boat did Great, Joan drank three fuzzy navals after the anchor got set.... Jim
I haven't had a bad experience letting her park.. This was our first boat that we keep in a marinia. Before this everything was on a trailer. As far as handling, We were out last Oct in a real blow at the mouth of the Potomac and Chesapeake. Taking 6ft steep chop and 33-35kts of quartering wind. No jib and about 7ft of main exposed. Boat did Great, Joan drank three fuzzy navals after the anchor got set.... Jim
Yep...Don on Tellico
is in Baltimore, at least the boat is. Steve, I was by your boat on Thursday when it was 72 down here in New Bern. Sure made me wish I had come south this winter. Alas, my boat probably still has ice and snow on her up in the harbor. If you do come north this winter, let me know your plans. Be glad to host/help/meet up.
is in Baltimore, at least the boat is. Steve, I was by your boat on Thursday when it was 72 down here in New Bern. Sure made me wish I had come south this winter. Alas, my boat probably still has ice and snow on her up in the harbor. If you do come north this winter, let me know your plans. Be glad to host/help/meet up.
Jim Seamans
I had not heard about the Hunter RV. Which Hunter Association, when and where? We joined the Outer Banks HSA in 2005, but have not heard anything from that group since. I'm not sure what their situation is. Commodore Mike Collier has been mute, and when we kept Carolina at McCotter's, we were able to check on his boat at Broad Creek. At that time she was rich with bird droppings and spiders and stripped of sails and running rigging. He may have been ill. If any other members of OBHSA read this please contact me; I'm in the directory. Steve Kamp
I had not heard about the Hunter RV. Which Hunter Association, when and where? We joined the Outer Banks HSA in 2005, but have not heard anything from that group since. I'm not sure what their situation is. Commodore Mike Collier has been mute, and when we kept Carolina at McCotter's, we were able to check on his boat at Broad Creek. At that time she was rich with bird droppings and spiders and stripped of sails and running rigging. He may have been ill. If any other members of OBHSA read this please contact me; I'm in the directory. Steve Kamp
Seadaddler
Carolina slips at Bridge Pointe Marina in New Bern, and Don Clark has hinted to me that we are in the slip he used to use for Tellico when he brought her south. The Neuse is a good river to sail and explore. It's about 45 NM from New Bern to the river mouth at Pamlico Sound, 25 or so NM to Adams Creek (ICW south to Moorehead City, 40 nm from New Bern) and maybe 30 NM to Bay River (ICW north via Hobucken,NC, [not to be confused with Hoboken, NJ] and Pamlico River, Pungo River, Alligator/Pungo Canal etc.). The Neuse is wide, about 1 mile near New Bern and about 6 miles where it opens on the Sound. She is shallow, running around 6 or 7 ft near the banks and maybe 10 to 15 in the channel and/or mid way between banks. Solar/lunar tide range is around 1 foot. We encounter more rise and fall from wind driven events: steady wind from an easterly direction will push water up river and westerly/northwesterly wind will reverse it. Additionally these winds will induce a nasty chop because of the shallow depths and wide fetch. Bottoms are generally soft mud and are forgiving of light groundings. When the wind is right two or three tacks will take you from NB to Oriental, when it isn't, you can tack all day long and notbe out of sight of the US 17 high bridge. It's a good river to train on, both sail handling and coastal navigation, and on the marina side of the drawbridge you will quickly hone your boat handling and docking skills. Keep in touch, Steve and Sheila Kamp Carolina
Carolina slips at Bridge Pointe Marina in New Bern, and Don Clark has hinted to me that we are in the slip he used to use for Tellico when he brought her south. The Neuse is a good river to sail and explore. It's about 45 NM from New Bern to the river mouth at Pamlico Sound, 25 or so NM to Adams Creek (ICW south to Moorehead City, 40 nm from New Bern) and maybe 30 NM to Bay River (ICW north via Hobucken,NC, [not to be confused with Hoboken, NJ] and Pamlico River, Pungo River, Alligator/Pungo Canal etc.). The Neuse is wide, about 1 mile near New Bern and about 6 miles where it opens on the Sound. She is shallow, running around 6 or 7 ft near the banks and maybe 10 to 15 in the channel and/or mid way between banks. Solar/lunar tide range is around 1 foot. We encounter more rise and fall from wind driven events: steady wind from an easterly direction will push water up river and westerly/northwesterly wind will reverse it. Additionally these winds will induce a nasty chop because of the shallow depths and wide fetch. Bottoms are generally soft mud and are forgiving of light groundings. When the wind is right two or three tacks will take you from NB to Oriental, when it isn't, you can tack all day long and notbe out of sight of the US 17 high bridge. It's a good river to train on, both sail handling and coastal navigation, and on the marina side of the drawbridge you will quickly hone your boat handling and docking skills. Keep in touch, Steve and Sheila Kamp Carolina
Hunter Renezvous June 21-24,2007
Will be at Zahniser's Solomon's Island. Very little information is found at www.nshsa.com. These are usually quite a blast for get togethers. From two years ago there were a couple of boats from down your way here. McCotter's is were Java got her feet wet. Is Dana Masters still a live aboard at the marina. If he is, ask him about the trip he made with us when we brought Java north. And ask him were are the pictures??? Jim S/V Java
Will be at Zahniser's Solomon's Island. Very little information is found at www.nshsa.com. These are usually quite a blast for get togethers. From two years ago there were a couple of boats from down your way here. McCotter's is were Java got her feet wet. Is Dana Masters still a live aboard at the marina. If he is, ask him about the trip he made with us when we brought Java north. And ask him were are the pictures??? Jim S/V Java
Don Clark
I spent that warmer Thursday installing my portion of a new water meter tap (the cutoff valve, check valve and pressure regulator) in preparation for running 400 feet of line to connect my water supply at the house to county water. We live in an end of the county that is largely ignored due to distance from the county seat. There are six families living on a 3/4 mile stretch of road and we have all been here for thirty years, all on what had been terraced farmland and then planted in Depression era WPA pine trees. It has been a wonderful place to raise two boys, teach them to appreciate a non-suburban, semi self sufficient life style complete with wild critters and basic gardening/animal husbandry skills, but as I get older I welcome less those mornings when the pressure switch on the well pump has stuck open and those times I have had to pull the deep submersible pump and change it due to lightning strikes. It looks like late March/early April before we get back to being part time liveaboards. We're still considering a realitively short run either north or south then returning to NB mid July to mid September. Sheila wants to visit her sis in Germany in August, then look at an extended adventure south beginning October, maybe island bound. Keep in touch, Steve and Sheila Kamp Carolina
I spent that warmer Thursday installing my portion of a new water meter tap (the cutoff valve, check valve and pressure regulator) in preparation for running 400 feet of line to connect my water supply at the house to county water. We live in an end of the county that is largely ignored due to distance from the county seat. There are six families living on a 3/4 mile stretch of road and we have all been here for thirty years, all on what had been terraced farmland and then planted in Depression era WPA pine trees. It has been a wonderful place to raise two boys, teach them to appreciate a non-suburban, semi self sufficient life style complete with wild critters and basic gardening/animal husbandry skills, but as I get older I welcome less those mornings when the pressure switch on the well pump has stuck open and those times I have had to pull the deep submersible pump and change it due to lightning strikes. It looks like late March/early April before we get back to being part time liveaboards. We're still considering a realitively short run either north or south then returning to NB mid July to mid September. Sheila wants to visit her sis in Germany in August, then look at an extended adventure south beginning October, maybe island bound. Keep in touch, Steve and Sheila Kamp Carolina
Steve K
OK steve maybe some day we might be in the area sailing or visiting friends in Fairfield Harbor or Wilmington. In 2000 we did look at living in New Bern,fairfeild harbor,trent woods, river bend,nice at that time has it changed a lot,My wife liked wilmington but to me it was getting crazy just like here in Long Island,ny I did like New Bern but we were only there for a week,but florida is crazy too. nick
OK steve maybe some day we might be in the area sailing or visiting friends in Fairfield Harbor or Wilmington. In 2000 we did look at living in New Bern,fairfeild harbor,trent woods, river bend,nice at that time has it changed a lot,My wife liked wilmington but to me it was getting crazy just like here in Long Island,ny I did like New Bern but we were only there for a week,but florida is crazy too. nick
Al or Seadaddler: H-36 stock battery
Do you know what kind of battery lineup does the H-36 bring? Amps, banks? Thanks. Where did all this snow in Virginia come from????
Do you know what kind of battery lineup does the H-36 bring? Amps, banks? Thanks. Where did all this snow in Virginia come from????
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