2007 H38 - What chain works with Simpson-Lawrence gypsy?

Apr 2, 2021
416
Hunter 38 On the move
I'm about to close on a 2007 H 38 and need to re-do the ground tackle (currently undersized delta on crappy chain/rode).

I'm 100's of miles from the boat so can't easily visit the boat to check this out.

What size/type(s) of chain will work with the stock gypsy (looks like 5/16")?

Thanks
 
Feb 21, 2013
4,638
Hunter 46 Point Richmond, CA
Congratulations on your new 38!!

Best to get a chain sample and verify it will match your windless gypsy OR look up the chain size for your gypsy.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,097
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
For a 38' boat and a S-L windlass the most common size is 5/16" G4. Chain is expensive and you don't want to make a mistake. Do you have anyone close who could look for a marking or try a piece of chain for fit?
I would not want to buy hundreds of dollars of chain based upon a guess from me.
 
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Apr 2, 2021
416
Hunter 38 On the move
For a 38' boat and a S-L windlass the most common size is 5/16" G4. Chain is expensive and you don't want to make a mistake. Do you have anyone close who could look for a marking or try a piece of chain for fit?
I would not want to buy hundreds of dollars of chain based upon a guess from me.
Thanks. I'll probably just wait till closing.
 
Apr 11, 2010
969
Hunter 38 Whitehall MI
You might want to check here. Index of /wp-content/export
The index has links to manuals for the boats and manuals for added equipment. I see two listings for the SL Windlass.
My manuals for my 2008 38 are on the boat so I cant check and get the information for you
 

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Sep 19, 2017
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2005 Hunter 33 Lake Lewisville, TX
Congratulations on the new boat! I just bought a 2006 H38 in December. Moved up from a Catalina 30. Love it. It's a great boat for creature comforts and sails very well.
Below is the page from the S-L manual for chain and rope rode dimensions. It assumes you have the Hunter-installed windlass and the standard gypsy.

As others have said, if it were me I'd want to see and touch the existing chain to make sure I got the right stuff.
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Apr 2, 2021
416
Hunter 38 On the move
On the boat now and just checked the windlass and chain. The gypsy has 7 pockets, there's 100' (really two 50' sections with some really manky looking link to join then) of 5/15" BBB and a few feet of 1/2" 3-strand nylon.

It looks like G43 will also fit this gypsy, so I'm going to get a foot and double check. I may go to G43 and 9/16" 3-strand nylon.
 
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Feb 21, 2013
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Hunter 46 Point Richmond, CA
..........so I'm going to get a foot and double check. I may go to G43 and 9/16" 3-strand nylon.
Good plan to purchase a foot of chain to verify the chain diameter that will be compatible with your windlass. That is exact;y what I did BEFORE I replaced my anchor chain. You probably know that Grade 43 (G4) hot-galvanized, high-tensile anchor chain is the industry standard and is a good choice. That is what I installed, in my case 5/16". I also replaced the rope with New England 8-Plait nylon rope, in my case 5/8".

WEST MARINE Grade 43 (G4) Hot-Dip Galvanized High-Test Chain, Sold by the Foot | West Marine
NEW ENGLAND ROPES 5/8" 8-Plait Nylon Line, White, Sold by Foot | West Marine

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
I also replaced the rope withNew England 8-Plait nylon rope, in my case 5/8".
FlightLead404, the 8-Plait will be easier to handle and lie more flatly in your anchor locker. 3 strand tends to hockle and twist out of shape leading to frustration and angry words. It is a sturdy line for anchoring.
 
Apr 2, 2021
416
Hunter 38 On the move
I'm still confused by the chain specs. Perhaps I've been doing too much research. I thought the RC172 gypsy specs said 5/16" G43 would work, but other places I read say that a different size G43 would be compatible with the 5/16" BBB that is on there now.

Any help clearing this up would be appreciated.
 
Feb 21, 2013
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Hunter 46 Point Richmond, CA
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Feb 21, 2013
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Hunter 46 Point Richmond, CA
Suggest replacing the BBB chain with G43 (G4) if you want the best once you get to the boat.
 
Apr 2, 2021
416
Hunter 38 On the move
ok picked up a couple feet of 5/16" G43 and ran it back and forth in the windlass a few times, tied a bungee to it so it was loaded up a bit, works great so that's what I'll buy.
 
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Wow! I spent about 20 hours over 2 days in the 90's working on what I thought was going to be a quick job. That doesn't include the almost 7 hours round trip from Ft. Pierce to Miami to pick up my new chain and rode, getting stuck in the express lane, making a wrong turn, and general traffic woes.

But, got the chain flaked out and marked, two white stripes at 10' to let me know anchor is coming up now, and a foot of color every 25' Red Yellow Blue White (Rub Your Booty Well). Cleaned the chain with white vinegar, then primed, then two coats rustoleum. Hope it stays on a while. Turned the boat in the slip without crashing into anyone (hey, I'm a 10 day boat owner but double hey, I have a bow thruster), and used the windlass to drop the old undersized chain/rode off onto the dock. Turned out I had 50' of 5/16" BBB of unknown provenance joined to 25' of 5/16" G43 spliced to another 50' or so of fairly nasty 5/8" 3-strand. The two chain lengths were joined by some sort of link that had almost rusted away.

Used a cutoff wheel on my cordless, a screwdriver, and my flip-flopped foot to cut off the rusty joining link and the G43 end link under the splice and re-purposed that 25' of G43 (looks ok for a year or two) joined to 150' 8-plait with a spliced in stainless thimble and a Crosby 209A 3/8" shackle and another Crosby shackle to the Fortress on the stern. Yeah I know, safety and all that. Wouldn't be the first time I've donated blood and flesh to a project, but hey it grows back, mostly.

Man, my anchor locker was nast-teee! Drain was well and truly blocked up, full of nasty, slippery algae. Almost came a cropper there, when unblocking the drain got stuck head down inside the slippery anchor locker and couldn't get up (cue 80's commercial). Luckily my GF was able to lever me out. Scary for a few moments. Not the way I want to go, be careful mates! (Probably a total newbie mistake). Anyway, now its sparkly clean!

I gave away the undersized delta and 50' of BBB and a rather suspect looking shackle.

Used the windlass to bring the new rode (anchor hitch to the pad eye in the locker) chain and anchor. The 25kg Rocna Original fits well, and rights itself properly, the new G43 (5/16" Acco domestic) ran beautifully as did the 8-plait and the splice. All that chain (200') does tend to pile up a bit though, and needed knocking down a bit. Hope it runs out as well as it came in.

I used .032" stainless safety wire to lock off all my shackles.

I did end up using two 3/8" Crosby 209A shackles back to back to mate up the G43 and the Rocna, luckily I had purchased an extra. I also made up a 25' snubber using a chain hook (the slotted type forget the name) and 25' of nice stretchy dockline. I'll keep that stowed in the anchor locker too.

Thanks for all the help, and if you see anything above I did wrong, don't hesitate to tell me. Rather be drowned that duffers and all that, right?