1996 Catalina 320 fresh water pump going off every 5 seconds Leak?

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Guys, you've helped steer me away from the catalina 30 i posted about. Thanks for the advice. now i'm getting a great deal on a 96 catalina 320.

It has an annoying problem with the fresh water pump. it goes off every 10 seconds. I think that means there is a leak somewhere but the prior owner said he looked EVERYWHERE and could not find it.

I think its a known issue with a small leak somewhere on the catalina 320 but i can't find any info on the web about the fix or where to find the leak.

PLEASE help.

-Michael
 

Jim

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May 21, 2007
775
Catalina 36 MK II NJ
Did you check the stuffing box

on the shaft and the rudder? If it goers off every 10 seconds the boat is sinking. When the pump quits the boat is going down. Run away unless you can find the leak...

Here is what I do. Get a bucket, a sponge, a towel and a can of foaming bubbles bath room cleaner. First step is to dry the bigle out completely. No spray the foaming bubbles and see where the water is coming from. I think it is form one of the stuffing boxes but it could be the keel boats (they all leak except Sail Maines) or the keel well.

I walked away from a C380 because of a cracked keel stub.

Good luck,
Jim
 

Jim

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May 21, 2007
775
Catalina 36 MK II NJ
One think first to check

is the pump cycling of staying on and pump out water?

There are pump manufactured to cycle on and check for water. I think they have an electronic float circuit. Id this is one of these pumps, it is ok!
 

Tom S

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Feb 4, 2004
172
Catalina 36mkII Stamford, CT
Jim, He's talking about the fresh water pump

Not the bilge pump.

Michael,

I have had that happen on my boat before. It could be a leak and you just have to trace the fresh water lines and keep looking. Though sometimes when I get air in the system from running the water tanks empty the fresh water pump will run every so often due to the pressure switch can stay closed because the loss of pressure due to air in the line. Running all the fawcets until there is no air will help. Sometimes I have heard of people putting an "accumulator tank" to relieve the problem (Google or search Chandleries for them )

Also your fresh water pump might have a defective Pressure switch and cause it to turn on so often
 
Jun 8, 2004
2,943
Catalina 320 Dana Point
Also Catalina has used

an unbarbed inline check valve on the freshwater line going into the water heater which can leak, check near where the hoses are attached to the heater.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,023
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Try checking to make sure both of your tanks valves

are not open at the same time, if you have two tanks. See the link.
 
Jan 4, 2006
262
Catalina 36 MKII Buford, Ga.
...had the same problem

and found the leak to be coming from the cockpit shower assembly. The hose clamps on water line fittings just needed to be tightened up...but be careful because the assembly is plastic... and if you overtighten, you may crack it. The fix was easy, finding the leak was the fun part.
 

Jim

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May 21, 2007
775
Catalina 36 MK II NJ
Oh, that is an easy fix...

check the cockpit shower and water heater connections first. Then proceed to check the rest of the hose clamps. You will find it!
 
Mar 1, 2004
351
Catalina 387 Cedar Mills-Lake Texhoma
Accumulator tank

Water doesn't compress in your system, so if the valve in the pump leaks back thru the pump, then the pump cycles all the time. If you add an accumulator tank after the pump, the air is compressed when the pump runs and this slows down the cycling time. You can also take the pump apart and clean the valve that is leaking, but it will still happen after a while.
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
Thoughts from a C-320 owner...

Michael, this is a great group and helpful. There is an additional great resource for C-320 specific issues that can be had by joining the Catalina 320 International Association also.

The tank valves are not a likely source of the problem on the C-320 because the forward tank is higher than the aft tank and leaving them open simply means that the water drains from the forward tank back to the aft tank by gravity. When you're out of water, you're out and absent a leak in the system you won't suck air until then.

The most likely source of pump cycling is a small leak downstream of the pump in a line connection or a valve. It doesn't take much of one to keep the pump cycling. On our 320, it has always been the cockpit shower valves. If a valve is left the slightest bit open, the pump will cycle and there will be little observable leaking until you know what to look for.

Our washdown pump will develop pin hole leaks in the hose over the winter (maybe someday I'll learn to remove it) and they are hard to see. If the pump is cycling, I always know I have to trace it down.

If it isn't a leak downstream, it could be a leak upstream sucking air, but that usually causes a loss of prime and reduced or non-existant flow and is easy to diagnose but harder to find.

The fittings can come loose in the system up or downstream and there are clear instructions on the Association website for re-connecting both types old (yours) and new. I don't recall any check valves in the system, but there is a trash filter at the pump. Again this usually causes flow problems not cycling ones. Pressure switch failure tends to be all or nothing.

Lastly, while in the neighborhood, the inspection ports on the water tanks tend to leak when full. The front tank's water will go to the bilge if both valves are open and the aft port is leaking. Teflon tape, doubling the gasket and a certain plumbers putty recommended on the Association site archives solve the issue.
 
Jul 16, 2006
92
-Catalina C310 RNSYS
Cracked fitting on the pump

I had this happen to me. The pump would cycle on every thirty or forty seconds.

It turned out to be the pump itself was cracked at the inlet barb. I replaced it with a new pump and it has worked as expected ever since.

Regards

Chris
 
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