192 mast & rigging questions

May 14, 2014
26
Oday 192 Ortley Beach
Hi; I am new to the 192 so here goes.
How much does the 192 mast weigh?
When it is standing in the tabernacle plate, will it stand by itself?
I have a fore-stay. The boat came with a roller furling jib in a bag. How does that work with the fore-stay? This is the first time that I am raising the mast. It will be a dry run in my driveway & I would like to know what to expect.
Many thanks in advance. Jerry:confused:
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Jerry, I step my mast by myself, however, I do have a bit of help. I build an 8' long mast crutch out of a 2x4. It has a bow roller at the top, and a U bolt cut in half and installed as pintles to fit in the stern gudgeons. It holds the mast up at about a 35-40º angle. It's a bit sketchy rolling the mast base from the bow pulpit to the step plate, but not too bad, actually. From there, it's easy for me to lift to the fully upright position, because it's already been lifted maybe 1/3rd of the way up from flat horizontal. I always like to have 1 other person with a line tied to jib halyard to stand in front of the car on the ground, to hold it up once I have it full raised, while I attach the forestay. I find that I can lift it without the ground person pulling, but a little extra help is not unwanted. The mast will not stand unsupported without, at a minimum, the uppers and forestay. Because the uppers are swept, the backstay is not required to hold the mast up during stepping. However, I do step with backstay, uppers, and lowers attached. Last year, I unstepped by just loosening the forestay turnbuckle. I marked it's position with tape, but since I've messed with reinforcing my rudder headstock, the rudder blade is out just a few inches, and I need to re-adjust my mast rake forward, so it turns out the position of the forestay turnbuckle wasn't a big deal. Next year, I won't mess with anything, so once I get the helm balanced with only 3-5º of weatherhelm (hopefully this weekend) I should be good with my tape indicator on the forestay for next spring.

Not too sure what you mean about your jib. If the jib has a luff boltrope, then it's designed to fit in the slot of a roller furler foil. Something like a CDI or Schaeffer Snap-furl is ideal on the 192. The original jib was a wire luff furler, that had no foil that goes around the forestay. It had a drum at the tack, and a swivel at the head, and it pretty well sucked.

So, does the jib have a wire in a pocket in the luff? If so, this would be an original design sail. If there's a bolt rope sewed into the luff, similar to the main sails, but smaller, then it will fit into a foil. Do you have a foil and drum system that fits over the forestay? Pictures of what you've got would be helpful.
 
May 14, 2014
26
Oday 192 Ortley Beach
Thank you Brian

I was planning to raise my mast with the help of a friend pulling on a rope tied to the fore-stay turn buckle. That is how I did it with my old Mariner which had a different mast tabernacle. It would stay up with the side stays & fore-stay attached. As to the jib, I will have to take a closer look at what I have. I will ten get back to you. Thank you very much, Jer
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Jerry, I wouldn't tie the line to the forestay - once the mast is up, you want that forestay free so that you can pin it to the stemhead fitting! That's why I cleat off the jib halyard, and tie the line to that...

Hey, maybe the mast would stay up without the forestay attached. Maybe you step with the boat leaning forward or something. Me, no way in hell would I risk it!

A guy in our club just dropped his 192 mast while stepping it. I'm not sure exactly why, but I do know it was a Z-Spars mast, and the deck plate and foot casting broke. I believe he was able to source replacement from Rigrite.com.
 
May 14, 2014
26
Oday 192 Ortley Beach
Brian; I understand that the fore=stay end needs to be free. Thus when the mast is up, I would hold it in place while the rope is detached & my helper inserted the pin. It worked for the years I had the Mariner. Jer
 
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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Sure, Jerry, just thinking of the inefficiency of holding up the mast while someone detaches the line from the forestay in order to attach the forestay to stemhead fitting. When I use the jib halyard to raise the mast, the forestay is already free to attach immediately. Also, during the mast raise, it's possible that the line pulling out further than the bow could cause the forestay tang attached at the hounds to bend forward. If this happens, it could eventually fatigue the tang or rivets. Just being cautious here, and covering bases for someone less experienced than yourself.