Autopilot for O'Day 39

Aug 19, 2024
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Hunter 34 Deale
Hello all. I recently purchased a 1984 O'Day 39. Beautiful boat and my family is ever so happy to be on something a little roomier than our Morgan 323. That said, the boat came with an old Simrad WP32 for an autopilot. The trouble is that this unit is incomplete (the piece that grabs the wheel spokes is missing). I am wondering about a cost effective option to get an autopilot that can man the wheel for day sails around the Chesapeake Bay and occasionally something a little longer (not going offshore anytime soon). The Raymarine EV100 is rated for vessels with a displacement of 16500 and under so thats out. I am guess that means I need a below deck solution? Trouble is that those are $4k plus! Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Taylor
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,111
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
CPT would be my choice f you don't want or need any interfacing.

 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,546
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
The suggested CPT autopilot by @Stu Jackson is a solid unit. For day sailing on a boat where the skipper knows how to navigate and will provide the helm (autopilot) with the bearing to sail, it will be a cost-effective solution for the problem you have defined.

If you desire to have a solution that will automatically follow a set track that you put on a chart plotter (sail by wire or adjust to the wind), then you will need to "invest" the 4 Boat Bucks for an electric autopilot or six plus boat bucks for a wind vane.
 
May 1, 2011
5,149
Pearson 37 Lusby MD
I'm running the Raymarine Smart Pilot Type 1 Linear Autopilot System For Sailboats with Raymarine Rotary Rudder Reference Transducer (both purchased from Defender in 2012), interfaced with my Raymarine wind transducer and E90W chartplotters. Raymarine stuff tends to work best with other Raymarine stuff! :beer:
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,153
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The big advantages to below decks autopilots are their, speed, power, and durability. This makes them more responsive and more effective than wheel pilots. Speed is particularly helpful when sailing down wind in a following sea, below deck pilots can keep up with the constant course changes, wheel pilots can not.

An additional advantage is the ability to follow the wind and not a compass course. Following the wind lets the AP work less reducing energy consumption and making for a smoother ride. Following a route with an AP is bad navigation for a couple of reasons. First, the AP will change course without warning when it thinks it is at the way point. Second route following does not incorporate any consideration of the actual conditions at the waypoint, is there another boat there? is the buoy off station? is there debris in the water? what are the sea conditions? etc.

The downside to below deck APs is the cost and complexity of the system and power consumption. The system requires a computer, an electronic compass, rudder position indicator, control head, and a drive unit. Newer models do not want a simple flux gate compass, they want a full on position sensor that includes pitch, roll, yaw, and compass heading.

Ideally the AP's computer will smoothly integrate with the chart plotter. This usually means the AP and the chartplotter are of the same brand. It may be possible to have a mixed marriage of brands between the plotter and the AP, but that may require some tinkering with the network. The same issue will arise if mating NMEA 0183 with a NMEA 2000K network.

AP computers are typically brand agnostic to instruments and sensors, like speed and heading, if the sensors are using standard NMEA data. They are also agnostic to the drive units, since the drive unit runs by changing the polarity of the power feed by the computer.

When making the decision on which system to install, begin with the Chartplotter and find an AP that is compatible with the chart plotter. Be aware, this can lead you down an expensive rabbit hole. In the end you'll have a nice fully functional system.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,770
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
An additional advantage is the ability to follow the wind and not a compass course. Following the wind lets the AP work less reducing energy consumption and making for a smoother ride.
For clarification, a wheel pilot can steer to a wind angle as well if properly integrated with wind information. My Raymarine ST6000+ gets wind info from my Raymarine wireless wind instrument via a wireless to NMEA interface.

The CPT wheel pilot, while probably more robust than the Raymarine wheel pilot, doesn’t interface with anything else as far as I know…so no steering to the wind.

Everything Dave said about below deck system is spot on. I dream of getting one, but just haven’t tackled that one yet.

Greg
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,153
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
For clarification, a wheel pilot can steer to a wind angle as well if properly integrated with wind information. My Raymarine ST6000+ gets wind info from my Raymarine wireless wind instrument via a wireless to NMEA interface.
Thanks Greg. The last wheel pilot I owned was pretty dumb. It had a small computer and used a flux gate compass, that was it. A vast improvement over the original tiller pilots that used a compass card with a slot in it and a light to hold a course.
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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The CPT wheel pilot, while probably more robust than the Raymarine wheel pilot, doesn’t interface with anything else as far as I know…so no steering to the wind.
The CPT wheel pilot is more robust when comparing "power to control a boat" in higher wind and sea states than the wheel pilot produced by Raymarine.
  • From the CPT manual.
The most common vessels using the CPT are typically 30'-50' in length with 10-40,000 lb displacement. The CPT develops up to 86 ft-lbs of torque at the wheel which is enough to handle most wheel loads.
In winds or rough conditions the boat must be balanced to reduce weather helm. With too much weather helm the belt will eventually begin to jump in its cogs, an indication its time to reef and trim the boat. Many vessels have the CPT as well as a windvane. A self-steering back-up of some sort is recommended for long distance cruising.
The autopilot will turn the wheel at about 6 RPM under no load and can generate up to 86 ft-lbs of torque. As the load increases, the RPMs decrease. About 4.5 RPM at 30 ft-lbs, 3.7 RPM at 40 ft-lbs, down to 2 RPM at 60ft-lbs, etc.

While it is more robust, it does not have the "sail to the wind" nor the "auto-follow a chart plotter" features offered in the Raymarine and other manufacturers products.

I see the CPT system (at around $2K) fitting into a niche between the RM Wheel Pilot and the below-deck systems.
 
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Sep 12, 2025
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Bene F30E AH
Check out the PCnautic - I think it is much better:

I am running the tiller pilot and can wholeheartedly recommend it.

The wheel pilot uses the RM ST4000+ (16.500lbs) - maybe they are open to replace this with the larger ST6000 upon request?
 
Jan 5, 2017
2,464
Beneteau First 38 Lyall Harbour Saturna Island
I’ve had our CPT for 2 seasons now. A trip to BC’s central coast and a circumnavigation of Vancouver Island. It worked like a dream in all conditions and I would recommend it as a cost effective solution for you.
 
Jan 7, 2011
5,770
Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Check out the PCnautic - I think it is much better:

I am running the tiller pilot and can wholeheartedly recommend it.

The wheel pilot uses the RM ST4000+ (16.500lbs) - maybe they are open to replace this with the larger ST6000 upon request?
I don’t think Raymarine makes a heavier wheel pilot. The motor drive and wheel are pretty much the same for past 20 years (minor “improvements” over the years). I went from a ST 4000+ to a ST6002 and the wheel drive is essentially the same. The latest version - EV-100 - uses the same wheel drive as the ST6002 I think.

Greg