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Wire to wire win

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Jackdaw, May 19, 2017 at 6:41 AM. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    6,495 posts, 790 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    Great first win for Jodi on BlueJ last night, we nail the start and lead wire to wire, including beating 4 boats that owe us huge time to the finish. Here's a short vid from the evening.... A (longer faster) j27 that was behind us slowly drives up to us to windward, but now I control when we both gybe to the mark. We wait for our best angle, then nail the maneuver and blast downwind. They are much slower to gybe, loose distance, and have to hot reach to the mark. We never see them again. Zoom!

     


    Last edited: May 19, 2017 at 12:51 PM
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  2. plenny7

    plenny7

    Joined Oct 3, 2014
    70 posts, 19 likes
    Hunter 33.5
    US Minneapolis & Lake City, MN
  3. jwing

    jwing

    Joined Jun 5, 2014
    226 posts, 41 likes
    ODay Mariner
    US Guntersville
    What does 'hot reach' mean?
     


  4. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    6,495 posts, 790 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    Great question. When sailing downwind, spinnaker boats will gybe their way down the course to stay in best pressure and on a good true wind angle (145-170) for their spinnaker. Now the longer you wait for your last gybe to the mark, the 'hotter' that angle will be, or more reachy. You can see in this screenshot that after we gybed we were reaching to the mark, and the j27 gybes MUCH later than we did. So they came in hot. OK for sailing as long as you can carry your kite, but a real test of your crew work when you have to douse at the mark. Nobody likes to take down a kite that is reaching; the deeper you are sailing the easier it is. With the wind way forward, and 14 knots of breeze its almost impossible, and often boats will turn down (away from the mark) to douse. But that's slow.

    reach to the mark.jpg
     


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  5. Apex

    Apex

    Joined Jun 19, 2013
    556 posts, 32 likes
    Oday 28
    US Muskegon
    congrats on the win Jodi! :O)


    ....must be the XS crew shirts at work. ;O)
     


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  6. LakeShark

    LakeShark

    Joined Sep 15, 2016
    127 posts, 21 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Minnesota Minnesota
    @Jackdaw I have to ask a potentially dumb question. I enjoyed your video but do you have a double line coming from your mainsheet? In this video as well as others it seems like your boat has either an endless line (but I don't know how) or 2 lines coming to the sheet tender. Why is this?
     


  7. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    6,495 posts, 790 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    @LakeShark , we have a 2-speed mainsheet system, designed to help the high sheet loads when going upwind. It is a Harken 3:1/6:1 system. Pull both sheets and you get a very quick 3:1 retrieve; nice when rounding the leeward mark and miles of sheet are out. Like in that picture! Pull one of them (either one) and its a much easier 6:1 retrieve, great when getting the last two inches of sheet in to get perfect upwind trim. Spendy but worth it; right @cb32863?? ;^)

    2 speed.jpg

    It would be great if it were an endless line, but the splice would be a nightmare in the blocks. So we re-balance the (long!) sheet after every sail.
     


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  8. LakeShark

    LakeShark

    Joined Sep 15, 2016
    127 posts, 21 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Minnesota Minnesota
    I didn't even know such a thing existed. I guess you learn something new every day. Looks like a nice setup though.
     


  9. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    6,495 posts, 790 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    That sure helped! Sadly it was under many layers of foul weather gear. It was cool and got COLD once the sun started setting.
     


  10. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    19,173 posts, 289 likes
    Catalina 34
    US C34 San Francisco
    I guess this means you decided to "keep" each other! :plus: Great work!
     


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  11. cb32863

    cb32863

    Joined Jun 29, 2010
    699 posts, 46 likes
    Beneteau First 235
    US Lake Minnetonka, MN
    Most definitely worth it! Going to improve mine later this year to the 6:1/3:1 w/ratchet. With mid boom sheeting on that big main of the 235, it tends to get to be a lot of work to trim main. Last night was a prime example.
     


  12. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    6,495 posts, 790 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    This is a key point, in particular if you race and/or have a lady trimming main. Jodi is tough as nails but simply not as strong as the average ape you see trimming main. The extra purchase gives welcome assistance.
     


  13. Sandy Stone

    Sandy Stone

    Joined Jun 2, 2007
    288 posts, 11 likes
    Beneteau First 375
    US Slidell, LA
    Oh, so it's not just me, then?
     


  14. Alansails

    Alansails

    Joined Oct 3, 2011
    415 posts, 26 likes
    Anam Cara Catalina 310 Hull #155
    US Lake Erie/Catawba Island
    GREAT JOB TEAM!
    good work! Congrats
     



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