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Protest flag setup.

Discussion in 'Racing' started by glaufman, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:35 AM. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. glaufman

    glaufman

    Joined May 23, 2016
    49 posts, 1 likes
    O'Day 1984 23
    US Island Park, NY
    Hi all-
    I need to buy a protest flag for racing my O'Day 23... I often race with only 1 crew besides myself (the wife) and don't have a place for a flag on a staff, so I was thinking about this:
    http://www.apsltd.com/keelboat-protest-flag-pop-out.html
    My questions are:
    1. Is this a reasonable size for a 23'LOA boat?
    2. How often do you guys protest and find your protestee does turns to avoid the protest room?
    3. In such a case, do you leave the protest flag flying or repack it, showing that you acknowledge they've done their penance?
    4. Any ideas for alternative mounts to make removing the flag easier without distracting the crew from racing the race?
     


  2. JRacer

    JRacer

    Joined Aug 9, 2011
    728 posts, 176 likes
    Beneteau 310
    US Cheney KS (Wichita)
    Yes, that is workable. Protest as little as possible - other things to do after the races than spend time in the room! My experiences: Most times, ethical competitors will acknowledge your call out and do their penalty. Protest to the room generally only necessary when the facts or rules are up in the air and neither skipper wants to acknowledge the foul and accept a penalty until the interpretation is cleared up. I always had mine on the backstay and could easily reach it and pull it from the helm. If the other guy takes his penalty, you generally don't need to leave the flag flying - unless the SI's say you do. I always made a point either way of informing the RC when we finished that the flag is up and details or that we had a protest and the information on the competitor that took his penalty - avoids other boats taking issue with a potential foul and unfiled protest later on. Suggest you look at the RRS section on protests.
     


  3. Parsons

    Parsons

    Joined Jul 12, 2011
    547 posts, 160 likes
    Catalina 36
    US Bay City, MI
    It's all in the Rules - Part 5 PROTESTS, REDRESS, HEARINGS, MISCONDUCT AND APPEALS
    61.1 Informing the Protestee (a) A boat intending to protest shall inform the other boat at the first reasonable opportunity. When her protest will concern an incident in the racing area that she was involved in or saw, she shall hail ‘Protest’ and conspicuously display a red flag at the first reasonable opportunity for each. She shall display the flag until she is no longer racing. However, (1) if the other boat is beyond hailing distance, the protesting boat need not hail but she shall inform the other boat at the first reasonable opportunity; (2) if the hull length of the protesting boat is less than 6 metres, she need not display a red flag; (3) if the incident was an error by the other boat in sailing the course, she need not hail or display a red flag but she shall inform the other boat either before or at the first reasonable opportunity after the other boat finishes;

    Since you're over 6 meters (19 feet or so), you will need to display a flag until you stop racing, regardless of the action of the other boat. I've been on a boat that had their protest questioned, but not disqualified, because they hailed and shouted and radioed, but did not have a flag on board. That pull-out one looks cool, and probably could be mounted anywhere. Rules don't say you need to have a flag of a certain size or type, and the boat I described above now uses a red handkerchief with a clothes pin in silent protest of the silliness of the rule!

    http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WorldSailingRRS20172020new-[24067].pdf
     


  4. glaufman

    glaufman

    Joined May 23, 2016
    49 posts, 1 likes
    O'Day 1984 23
    US Island Park, NY
    I can't believe how many times I've read that section and still missed the "until she is no longer racing"... so no need to distract one's crew with repacking...
     


  5. Meriachee

    Meriachee

    Joined Aug 1, 2011
    2,593 posts, 700 likes
    Catalina 270
    CA Wabamun - on the orange ball
    The pull out one has been displayed on the mooring when there is no more beer. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to get the desired reaction.
     


  6. cb32863

    cb32863

    Joined Jun 29, 2010
    842 posts, 97 likes
    Beneteau First 235
    US Lake Minnetonka, MN
    I have that exact pull out flag tied to my back stay. Will do just fine.
     


  7. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    8,974 posts, 2,263 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    We’ve used that flag for years. You can see it below our class flag in the pic below. The key it to mount it somewhere where you deploy it without delay.

    You have to remember that the only people that want to be in the the protest room less than you are the protest committee. Due to this, the first thing that happens in a protest hearing is checking the validity of the protest. RSS say you must display the flag ‘at the first reasonable opportunity ’. Go down stairs to rummage for it? You get dismissed without a hearing.

    Our club used to hear almost 100 protests a year. That’s a lot. We changed our SIs to allow for 1 turn for a section2 violations away from marks or starts. USsailing actually recommends this. Hearings dropped 80%.

    We pull ours if we see the other boat clear. I know the RSS says leave it up. But it gives our RC one less thing to do at the finish (asking us about the protest). Lets the other boat know we saw them clear, and it gets us ready for another close encounter! ;^)

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    Last edited: Aug 10, 2018 at 7:12 AM
  8. glaufman

    glaufman

    Joined May 23, 2016
    49 posts, 1 likes
    O'Day 1984 23
    US Island Park, NY
    Thanks all... Should be delivered today... Racin at m club I don't expect to need it but better to be prepared...
     



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