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One more line to go to the cockpit....which should I choose

Discussion in 'Catalina 22' started by Lafayette Mike, Jul 5, 2018. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. Lafayette Mike

    Lafayette Mike

    Joined Oct 21, 2015
    39 posts, 6 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Lafayette, IN
    I have a 1986 C-22 that is now rigged to take lines back to the cockpit. I have the main sail halyard, main sail downhaul, jib halyard, jib downhaul, and jiffy reefing lines all run to the cockpit (jib downhaul on a cleat on the port stanchion).
    I installed larger deck organizers, and installed some (used) clutches on the cabin top for the lines. I have one clutch space still available, and don't know which would be more useful in the cockpit; an adjustable Cunningham, or adjustable outhaul.
    We sail primarily on inland lakes, winds 10-20 knots. I don't race the boat (have another one for that!). Non furling jib. No spinnaker.
    I'm not sure which I'd use more if it was accessible from the cockpit, the cunningham or the outhaul? What are your thoughts and/or suggestions?
    Thanks
     


  2. jviss

    jviss

    Joined Feb 5, 2004
    3,069 posts, 402 likes
    Tartan 3800
    US Westport, MA
    If you don't race the Cunningham is superfluous, assuming you can still tighten the main halyard enough to tighten the luff as much as you want isn't that so? The Cunningham was invented to allow more tightening of the main luff without inadvertently violating sail dimensions in racing classes. At least that's the story I was told!

    So, I would go with the outhaul. That way you have both important sail shape control lines, halyard (for luff) and outhaul (for foot).
     


  3. Justin_NSA

    Justin_NSA

    Joined Jul 7, 2004
    4,701 posts, 736 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Cheney, KS
    +1 for the outhaul.
     


  4. Voiding Sounds

    Voiding Sounds

    Joined May 24, 2018
    23 posts, 10 likes
    Catalina 22
    Hull 2640 US Norcal
    I'm going to be the contrarian because I don't really see an advantage to running the outhaul forward. It's already (presumably) at the back of boom and accessible to the skipper on the tiller.
     


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  5. Gene Neill

    Gene Neill

    Joined Sep 30, 2013
    2,430 posts, 933 likes
    C-22, Albin Vega
    US central Florida
    Took the words right out of my mouth. :)
     


  6. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,913 posts, 75 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    Except when the boom moves outward over the side of the boat. The cunnigham is the halyard in reverse. The primary sail trim control for Draft (belly) is the outhaul. On a C22 I personally wouldn't wast my time with a cunnigham.
     


  7. Gene Neill

    Gene Neill

    Joined Sep 30, 2013
    2,430 posts, 933 likes
    C-22, Albin Vega
    US central Florida
    Me neither.
     


  8. jviss

    jviss

    Joined Feb 5, 2004
    3,069 posts, 402 likes
    Tartan 3800
    US Westport, MA
    I didn't know the outhaul was controlled at the boom end. On mine, it runs forward and is cleated on the boom near the mast. It makes me crazy that every single control line comes to the cockpit except the outhaul! Plus, on this boat the outhaul moves very easily, and has a dramatic affect on sail shape.
     


  9. Jacktar

    Jacktar

    Joined Sep 14, 2014
    664 posts, 238 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Pensacola, Florida
    Since it already goes forward to near mast run the outhaul to the cockpit, and go sailing.
     


  10. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    19,989 posts, 620 likes
    Catalina 34
    224 CA Maple Bay, BC, Canada
    ...as it should. :)
     


  11. Joe

    Joe

    Joined Jun 1, 2004
    6,496 posts, 341 likes
    Catalina 27
    US Mission Bay, San Diego
    Move the outhaul cleat to mid boom, right above the hatch so you can reach it from the cockpit except when the boom is way out. I like the Cunningham cleat close by. I'd rather have the halyard cleat at the mast than the Cunningham, it's a much quicker way to adjust luff tension rather than dealing with the halyard... However... I don't think a clutch is necessary for Cunningham. On my boat the it's a 3:1 purchase routed back to a clam cleat with a fairlead. I don't have to leave my seat to cleat or release the line.
     


  12. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    9,227 posts, 2,421 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    On 99% of boats you adjust the outhaul much more than the Cunningham.

    A Cunningham at the mast is easier to adjust than an outhaul on the boom.

    You can make a simple 2:1 on the Cunningham by running the line through the eye and back down to the tack. More than enough for the C22.

    So, outhaul to the cockpit, leave the cuni at the mast.
     


  13. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,913 posts, 75 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    Cunningham - interesting term and as some of you know it has nothing to do with anything unlike outhaul, halyard, bow, stern, mast etc. In fact, it's named after the sailor who developed it. His name is Briggs Cunningham and he was the skipper of Columbia, which was the America Cup defender in 1958. The cunningham and the halyard are brothers and like a lot of brothers they work in opposite direction to each other. Briggs problem was his boat was a "full on hoist", which means there is a black band on the top of the mast that defines the top limit of the hoist. What Briggs wanted to do was move the DRAFT POSITION aft but if he cranked on the halyard the main would go above the black mark and that would be a violation. He figured out a downward pull would accomplish the same thing, which it did!! You might say that's nice but I don't sail a 1958 America Cup boat. and I don't have a black mark at the top of the mast and you'd be right BUT you do have a sheave at the top of your mast, which is your black mark. If you crank on the halyard you'll force the halyard shackle into the sheave. So, your solution to moving the draft position (if you even fool around with that element of sail trim) is the same as Briggs.

    If you ever listened to old time radio as I did "now you know the rest of the story". You might be able to pick up a few drinks at the YC bar by asking if anyone can explain CUNNINGHAM.
     


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  14. Gene Neill

    Gene Neill

    Joined Sep 30, 2013
    2,430 posts, 933 likes
    C-22, Albin Vega
    US central Florida
    The gooseneck on a C22 slides up and down in the sail track. Seems to me, if your halyard shackle tops out, you've got the boom set too high.
     


  15. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,913 posts, 75 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    Probably on a C22, I don't know as I've never sailed one. I should have indicated my memo was about sailboats in general and where the situation would apply, which probably starts with 25' boats and above.
     


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  16. Milton.Audas

    Milton.Audas

    Joined Aug 31, 2011
    200 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Lake Rathbun, IA
    I run a boom topping lift aft the cockpit. Got rid of the stupid pigtail device that was always getting forgotten when hoisting the main. Ran an old jib halyard (since i have a furler) and attached a shackle fitting to the end of the boom. Now I can control boom height with ease when not sailing. Works a treat.
     

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  17. $tingy Sailor

    $tingy Sailor

    Joined Jul 23, 2013
    487 posts, 31 likes
    1981 Catalina 22 #10330
    US Bayview, ID
    No spinnaker??? That's crazy talk.;)
     


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  18. Milton.Audas

    Milton.Audas

    Joined Aug 31, 2011
    200 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina C-22
    US Lake Rathbun, IA
    I have one. "It's a very nice, you know". Beautiful in fact. But keep having issues fouling at the masthead with the CDI furler gear, even with the CD masthead extension. Off-season project. Next year for sure. Always something to do on a boat. even at the dock in the rain, there's plenty of 'maintenance' to get done !! :).
     


  19. mm2347

    mm2347

    Joined Oct 21, 2008
    214 posts, 21 likes
    oday 222
    US niagara
    That is far too simple or easy!!!
     



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