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Hunter 31 Owners, How have you upgraded your head

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  1. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    To get this started, my wife hates the head on our 1983 H31. And now refuses to do overnights on the boat for this reason. I need to come up with a good solution so that I can enjoy her company for cruising.

    Previous owner removed the Marine head and installed a Porta Potti connected to our pump-out on the deck. The admiral's big issue is that the head space itself is so small that she cannot drop trow and sit down with the door closed. I do not know if this is dues to the size of the Porta Potti, but I do not think it sticks out any more than the original head did.

    I am considering the complete removal of the sink and cabinet in there, to make it feel roomier, but I am not sure if this will be enough.

    What have you done? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     


  2. Peggie Hall HeadMistress

    Peggie Hall HeadMistress

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    Before doing anything you need to take some measurements...how far does the potty stick out? Further, less or the same as a compact toilet...? You'll find dimensions on the mfr's websites.

    You might also investigate whether it would be possible to re-position the potty just enough to give her the room she needs. I'd hate to see you remove the sink and vanity entirely...maybe a smaller vanity? Larger boat? :)
     


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  3. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Peggie,

    I will try to get measurements and some pictures tonight, after our Beer Can Race.

    I forgot to mention that when the Marine head was removed, the V-berth waste tank that is molded into the liner, was cut open and turned into storage space by the Previous owner, so going back to a marine head would be a big job.
     


  4. Peggie Hall HeadMistress

    Peggie Hall HeadMistress

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    Not to mention expensive! I'll bet we can figure out how to make the existing system work...it could be as simple as just moving it a few inches--If we can find those few inches.
    A bit of "scattershot" thinking out loud: How much more clearance in front of her knees does she need to be able to close the door. Is there any space behind the throne? Beside it to slide it over? If you could re-hang the head door to close the other direction, would that help? Does the door open in or out?
     


  5. Don Crowther

    Don Crowther

    Joined Sep 4, 2007
    665 posts, 19 likes
    Hunter 34
    CA Elbow, Saskatchwen, Can.
    The head in the 34 is much the same size as the 31. Only the vanity is on the opposite side from the head/shower.
    I have considered moving and rehanging the head door so that it closes off the salon from the head/vanity and Vee-berth. The only problem with that is if someone is using the vee- berth to sleep in. You would have to close their door as well.
     


  6. Peggie Hall HeadMistress

    Peggie Hall HeadMistress

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    They'd only be sleeping in the middle of the night, so anyone else who has to get up to use the head just needs to make sure they're verrrrry quiet about it. Flushing can wait till morning.
     


  7. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Peggie,

    As you can see from the photos below, there is barely room for your feet between the porta potti, and the door frame. Someone with size 12s would probably have to angle their feet to shut the door. The pump-out hose connection is on the lower back on the potti, so there is no more room to move it backward in the head as the hose 90° is right against the hull, and travels towards the bow and then up through the cabinets to the deck fitting.
    2017-06-21 20.56.29.jpg 2017-06-21 20.57.05.jpg

    Also the door is hinged in such a way that it either encloses the head, or when swung out 90°, encloses the V-berth.

    2017-06-21 20.57.36.jpg
     

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  8. Peggie Hall HeadMistress

    Peggie Hall HeadMistress

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    What's that tall thing in the corner behind it?

    That portapotty doesn't appear to be a newer model. Measure it front-back, then check your measurements against the current versions of the SeaLand Sanipottie 975 MSD (13-1/8" W x 15-1/4" D x 15-1/4" H) and the Thetford 550P MSD (16-1/2" H x 15" W x 16-1/2" D) The SeaLand is 1.25" shorter front/back than the Thetford. That the vent and pumpout fittings are on the top (with pickup tube inside the tank) instead of out the side should also give you a little more room beside and behind it.
     


  9. pateco

    pateco

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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    That is an Ionic Breeze air purifier I got at a yard sale. I haven't figured out where to mount it permanently, but it does keep the odor down in the head.
     


  10. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Peggie,

    After your suggestion and some research, I just ordered the SeaLand SaniPottie 975MSD Toilet with MSD Fittings.
    SaniPoti.jpg
    Hopefully this will give me about 6 inches more deck depth in the head after I rebuild the base to fit it..
     


  11. Peggie Hall HeadMistress

    Peggie Hall HeadMistress

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  12. jmce1587

    jmce1587

    Joined Mar 20, 2011
    253 posts, 27 likes
    Hunter 31_83-87
    US Kemah
    Chip - i redid the head area completely and removed the peeling melamine finish and installed a Raritan electric head. Admiral very happy and I eventually went back and added freshwater flush capabilities. I had to build out a triangular platform using the angled empty space for the head to fully fit and there is still plenty of room in the head. See attached photos for the platform added. PM me if you need any addl info. good luck - Jerry
     

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  13. Peggie Hall HeadMistress

    Peggie Hall HeadMistress

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    Exactly how did you accomplish that?
     


  14. SFS

    SFS

    Joined Aug 18, 2015
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    Hunter 31
    US Tampa Bay
    Chip, I hope the new porta potty does the trick, but if it doesnt, and you need some more room to slide the whole thing back, do what I did when I replaced a Jabsco with a Raritan Superflush. I made a 5" thick platform (epoxy coated) the same dimensions as the deck that the toilet sits on. I also cut out some of the melamine covered MDF to make that opening just behind the toilet a little wider. The combination allowed me to slide the Raritan further back (and freed up access to the toilet fittings). I suspect you could do the same if you needed.

    I'm not sure I have pics, and I'm in the middle of a move, so can't get you any anytime soon. But you can call me if you want to talk about it.
     


  15. jmce1587

    jmce1587

    Joined Mar 20, 2011
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    Hunter 31_83-87
    US Kemah
    Peggie. Followed Raritan instructions for tying into electrical with a dedicated circuit and Raritan instructions for tying into FW system.
     


  16. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    So, the renovations have begun.

    Here are some before pictures
    2017-07-01 20.42.43.jpg 2017-06-21 20.57.12.jpg
    New head arrived, and should give us the extra floor space we were looking for. We also decided on a tile pattern to resurface the counter top.
    2017-07-01 20.42.05.jpg
     


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  17. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Demo begins.
    Removed the old Porta Potti.

    2017-07-02 13.43.12.jpg

    With the added support base removed, the Shower sump grate could be removed. Probably first time since the head was replaced. Man it was dirty.
    2017-07-02 23.44.50.jpg
    It cleaned up pretty well. I found evidence that the compression post has been replaced at least once.

    2017-07-02 23.58.58.jpg
    Shortened the support base, and test fit the new Potti.

    2017-07-02 22.42.50.jpg
     


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  18. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Time for sanding filling patching and painting

    Removed tho old dead mirror
    2017-07-03 11.49.39.jpg
    Removed all of junk hanging off the walls, as well as the teak trim. Then I filled all the excess screw holes, and sanded.

    2017-07-03 14.46.26.jpg
    2017-07-03 14.46.35.jpg
    First Coat of Paint (RustOleum Topside White)
    2017-07-03 23.34.47.jpg

    Already a night and day difference

    2017-07-03 23.27.11.jpg
     


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  19. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
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    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Tile Time

    Beginning to cut and dry fit the glass tiles

    2017-07-04 15.29.16.jpg
    Lots of glass cutting to fit these curves

    2017-07-06 19.46.51.jpg
    Everything dry fit

    2017-07-06 20.58.10.jpg
    Tile is set

    2017-07-06 22.01.19.jpg
    This is where I stopped last night.
    Grouting tonight, and hopefully reinstalling the plumbing and teak trim tomorrow morning before an afternoon sail.
     


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  20. SFS

    SFS

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    Hunter 31
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    Great job, Chip. Questions for you:
    1) How did you take the mirror down? Mine is in similar shape, and appears to be glued in place.
    2) What will you do (if anything) about a replacement mirror?
    3) How will you (if at all) attach the pull-out faucet head to a wall to take a shower?