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Halyard Shackles

Discussion in 'Catalina 22' started by kclancy, Dec 14, 2017. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. kclancy

    kclancy

    Joined Jul 25, 2016
    89 posts, 18 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Sacramento Sacramento
    Hi All,
    I am replacing both halyards now. I am going with the all line halyards and getting rid of the wire. The wire and lines were beginning to show some wear. In fact, my main line broke on me while I was raising the sail. The line was dry-rotted. The all line halyards requires new sheaves, but that is not too much trouble. I like these plug-n-play type improvements!

    I was wondering about what shackles are recommended or that you use? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!
    Kevin
     


  2. Dave Groshong

    Dave Groshong SBO Staff Staff Member

    Joined Jan 25, 2007
    1,173 posts, 41 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Seattle
  3. LakeShark

    LakeShark

    Joined Sep 15, 2016
    256 posts, 56 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Minnesota Minnesota
    My favorite are snap shackles as they are easy to open even under load and there are no parts to drop but they are a bit $$. whatever you go with make sure the pin is captured so you cannot lose it even if it goes to the top of the mast open.
     


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  4. Stu Jackson

    Stu Jackson

    Joined Feb 26, 2004
    19,564 posts, 394 likes
    Catalina 34
    US Maple Bay, BC, Canada
    My LEAST favorite are snap shackles because they can open, BY THEMSELVES, under load.
    I have removed them ALL from my boat, a long time ago.
    Use a halyard shackle.
    Heck, that's why they made them!:)
     


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  5. py26129

    py26129

    Joined Oct 25, 2011
    494 posts, 51 likes
    Island Packet IP31
    CA Lake St. Louis, Montreal
    I agree with Stu. Our spinnaker halyard has a snap shackle and it has opened on its own twice now, dropping the chute in the drink and leaving the halyard at the top of the mast.

    Here is a pic documenting the retrieval.
    DSC_0928.JPG
     


  6. rpludwig

    rpludwig

    Joined May 23, 2016
    334 posts, 147 likes
    Catalina 22 #12502
    US New Bern, NC BSC
    too funny, you sent the "little one" up the mast whilst standing below? (cruel) although I do understand the logic, doubt the Admiral could hoist my fat ass up there! Nicely done!!!
     


  7. rpludwig

    rpludwig

    Joined May 23, 2016
    334 posts, 147 likes
    Catalina 22 #12502
    US New Bern, NC BSC
    Kevin, regarding the sheaves...see Stingy's link on replacing wire w/rope halyards (8mm), but shop for sheaves, CD are undersized and pricey (if that's the size line you're going to)....think my replacement sheaves were 5 bucks or less, can't recall the source, but it was non-marine, but same item...fwiw...
     


  8. py26129

    py26129

    Joined Oct 25, 2011
    494 posts, 51 likes
    Island Packet IP31
    CA Lake St. Louis, Montreal
    In fact she volunteered. Going up there satisfies her sense of adventure, although this time she did get a bit nervous.
    To get me up there would take a powered winch or a coffee grinder :)

    Cheers

    Matt
     


    Last edited: Dec 14, 2017
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  9. rpludwig

    rpludwig

    Joined May 23, 2016
    334 posts, 147 likes
    Catalina 22 #12502
    US New Bern, NC BSC
    that's a GREAT pic, one for your sailing archives I'm sure, the look on her face is priceless!
    Good on her adventuresome spirit!!!
     


  10. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    7,757 posts, 1,463 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    The ONLY shackle that cannot open inadvertently are the Tylaska T-series shackles. All others, TAPE closed.
     


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  11. jwing

    jwing

    Joined Jun 5, 2014
    315 posts, 89 likes
    ODay Mariner
    US Guntersville
    Here was my thinking when I went through the same process. Keep the halyard shackle for the main (I actually kept the wire part of the halyard, too, since it was in good shape). I keep the main shackled, so it doesn't matter that the shackle is a bit of a pain to work. (I keep the wire from banging on the mast with a bungee to a shroud.)

    OTH, I take my foresail off the rig every time I get done sailing. Therefore, I chose the convenience of a swivel snap shackle for the jib halyard. I figure: 1) The loads on a small boat are relatively low; 2) I bought an over-sized, high-quality shackle; 3) On a trailer sailer, the consequences of a false open are no big deal; 4) I get to find out for myself on a small boat so that if I ever get a bigger boat, then I'll have some experience to inform my decision instead of relying on whoever happened to give their opinion on an internet forum topic that I happen to read. So far, I have not experienced a false open.
     


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  12. thinwater

    thinwater

    Joined Mar 26, 2011
    1,660 posts, 210 likes
    Corsair F-24 MK I
    US Deale, MD
    a. The was UV damage, not dry rot. Polyester won't rot.
    b. Soft shackle. Less weight, nothing banging around. Over the years, as shackles have failed, I've gone soft. I over-size them (easier to handle with cold hands) and I have never had one fail. And they only cost $2-4; splice-up a few while watching a movie.

    I stay with metal shackles where they fit better.
     


  13. kclancy

    kclancy

    Joined Jul 25, 2016
    89 posts, 18 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Sacramento Sacramento
    I saw what Stingy did, but I don't have that skill set. Bummer!

    Interesting. I did not know what a soft shackle was and watched this video:
    http://www.animatedknots.com/softshackleedwards/

    Pretty cool! Thanks for the suggestion.
     


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  14. Dave Groshong

    Dave Groshong SBO Staff Staff Member

    Joined Jan 25, 2007
    1,173 posts, 41 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Seattle


  15. greg_m

    greg_m

    Joined May 23, 2017
    224 posts, 56 likes
    Catalina Jaguar 22
    ZA Cape Town, South Africa Simons Town

    Nice to know... however I thought we were NOT ALLOWED to post advertisements in the discussion forums?
     


  16. greg_m

    greg_m

    Joined May 23, 2017
    224 posts, 56 likes
    Catalina Jaguar 22
    ZA Cape Town, South Africa Simons Town
    Now that's not something I would admit in public! :laugh:
     


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  17. justsomeguy

    justsomeguy

    Joined Feb 20, 2011
    5,794 posts, 592 likes
    MacGregor, Island Packet 35
    US Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
    Except for the owners and minions of these forums, yes, you're quite right. ;)
     


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  18. deltaten

    deltaten

    Joined Feb 1, 2014
    53 posts, 7 likes
    Watkins 27
    US North East, MD
    I dropped my wire-to-rope shackles for all the usual reasons. About five feet of 550 cord now lashes the two eyes together with no clanging, banging or hanging. A Wichard elongated "d" with captive pin suits for the wire to headboard.
     


  19. thinwater

    thinwater

    Joined Mar 26, 2011
    1,660 posts, 210 likes
    Corsair F-24 MK I
    US Deale, MD
    There are several possible rejoinders:
    • Only in public.
    • I'm pretty old. It's the price of experience.
    • Funny how words change meaning over time. It could mean I've become less pedantic.
    • Fear will do that.
    • But are you oversize?
     


  20. pateco

    pateco

    Joined Aug 12, 2014
    1,521 posts, 264 likes
    Hunter 31 (1983)
    US Pompano Beach FL
    Isn't it great to have kids to do this for you. LOL Here is my son Tristan helping to replace masthead light, and halyards.

    2015-07-03 18.24.33.jpg 2015-07-03 18.24.26.jpg

    Using a Wichard shackle for my main,
    shackle.jpg
    and a Halyard Hitch on my furler car.
     


    Last edited: Dec 15, 2017
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